one other point which was made by an emergency manager was that the move to DSTAR for EmComms was a
condition of getting the grants.  As I understood it because of HIPA HSA  and FEMA wanting to
protect a victims private information there was an impetus to move to a quazi secure digital system.
The rational left me scratching my head but look at all the counties that got all the shiny new
things.  There's a county in north east Ohio Tusco (abbreviated) county that got a boatload of this
DSTAR stuff and none of it was on the air when I left the US back in August.


Ray T. Mahorney
WA4WGA


-----Original Message-----
From: For blind ham radio operators [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Butch Bussen
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 01:26
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: In a state of disbelief here

Same here.  To me it is obvious they're trying to push it off on 
everyone.  They're giving away repeaters.  O our club here got one and 
all they had to do was get ten people to say they'd use it.  I'm not at 
all interested, isn't at all accessible and is way to complicated to run 
as far as I'm concerned.  The other point I think people forget is that 
it depends on the internet, and in a real emergency, will the internet 
be there?
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 20 Dec 2012, Buddy Brannan wrote:

> I have lots of objections to DStar myself, namely the high cost, that =
> Icom is the only manufacturer that does dStar, and its proprietary =
> nature. Especially the proprietary nature of the protocol strikes me as =
> fundamentally at odds with everything else we do with amateur radio. =
> But, what do I know?=20
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
>
>
> On Dec 20, 2012, at 7:02 AM, Tom Behler <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>>    Well, not here yet, and many people are resisting it, due in no =
> small=20
>> part to the overall high cost of a D Star radio.
>> =20
>> And, this says nothing about accessibility issues.
>> =20
>> 73 from Tom Behler: KB8TYJ
>> =20
>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>> From: "Ray T. Mahorney" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: In a state of disbelief here
>> =20
>> =20
>>> that is interesting because a fair number of EOC's here in Ohio are=20=
>
>>> migrating to DSTAR.
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Ray T. Mahorney
>>> WA4WGA
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: For blind ham radio operators =
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
>>> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 00:05
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: In a state of disbelief here
>>> =20
>>> Ray:
>>> =20
>>> No D Star here yet, and I don't know of any plans for it soon.
>>> =20
>>> This is why the choice of rigs on the part of the powers that be was =
> so
>>> strange.
>>> =20
>>> 73 from Tom Behler: KB8TYJ
>>> =20
>>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>>> From: "Ray T. Mahorney" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:43 PM
>>> Subject: Re: In a state of disbelief here
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>>> no they do not nor does Icomm sell speech boards for those radios =
> they=20
>>>> are
>>>> both DSTAR radios and as
>>>> such there is no accessibility on the digital side.  Has your county
>>>> adopted DSTAR?
>>>> =20
>>>> =20
>>>> Ray T. Mahorney
>>>> WA4WGA
>>>> =20
>>>> =20
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: For blind ham radio operators=20
>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>>> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 00:15
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: In a state of disbelief here
>>>> =20
>>>> Hi, all
>>>> =20
>>>> Recently, in my region of west-central lower Michigan, the power =
> that be
>>>> obtained an equipment grant to purchase all new equipment for our =
> county
>>>> EOC's.  Sounds great, right???
>>>> =20
>>>> Well, for one thing, none of us as EC's were consulted on the rig =
> and
>>>> other
>>>> equipment choices, so we ended up with rigs with which none of us =
> were
>>>> familiar.
>>>> =20
>>>> But, here's the real kicker:
>>>> =20
>>>> Two of the rigs are the Icom IC2820 VHF/UHF dual-band radio, and the =
> Icom
>>>> IC2200 2-meter radio.  Upon checking in the AES catalog, and calling =
> AES
>>>> for
>>>> confirmation, it seems that these radios do not have a voice =
> synthesizer
>>>> chip option.  If this is true, of course, the rigs will be of =
> limited use
>>>> to
>>>> me as EC in the Emergency Operations Center, unless I have sighted
>>>> assistance with me at all times.
>>>> =20
>>>> Can someone verify for me that these rigs actually do not have a =
> voice
>>>> chip
>>>> option??
>>>> =20
>>>> Tom Behler: KB8TYJ
>>>> =20
>>> =20
>
>