Hello,
Well I planned to use a PacMate 20-35ll Braille Display with a Braille Plus Original but couldn't because the PacMate Braille needed Drivers.
I was able to sell it. I just could not underand how to use a PacMate.

Given the poor quality of braille cells on the market today why would anyone wish to buy a new braille display.
It's interesting how the braille cells on the Braille Sense Classic and displays made before 2005 or partway through that year work very well.
If someone has Office 2010 I think Window-eyes is available for free.
I do not know if Window-eyes supprts the Navigator Braille Display though.
Colleen Roth



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From: Rylan Vroom <[log in to unmask]>
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Date: Saturday, April 12, 2014 5:50 pm
Subject: Re: Off topic — JAWS new version and old braille display

>
>
> Hi E73, this is a topic that has been coming up a lot recently in
> access technology circles. I myself am getting an old navigator 80
> tomorrow. Unfortunately, if you're running a 64 bit operating system
> you're out of luck as far as Jaws is concerned. Basically, the
> navigator uses the same communications protocol as the old Blazie
> PowerBraille displays, but Freedom Scientific in its infinite wisdom
> has stopped allowing people to use the power braille models through
> serial connections as of Jaws 11. If you had a power braille you could
> still use it with Jaws 12 to 15, but only through an old style 25 pin
> parallel port. However, the navigators don't ship with LPT ports so
> you're out of luck. Now, if you're running a 32 bit operating system,
> you can request a special build of Jaws from FS that will allow you to
> use the navigator with PowerBraille drivers on a serial connection or
> through a serial to USB dongle, but even then they might not provide
> it to you. Fortunately, all is not lossed, because NVDA supports all
> the old displays through BRAILLETTY. (and that includes using those
> displays on 64 bit operating systems). This issue is so stupid, those
> old braille displays are still in use all over the world, they were
> made to last, and given the price people have to pay just to get the
> blind equivalent of a computer monitor, you'd think FS would make sure
> it supported as many displays as possible right? I for one can't
> afford to buy a new focus 80, and I don't see why a navigator 80
> shouldn't work with a screen reader I spent close to a thousand bucks
> to buy. Could everyone on this list do people like E73 and myself a
> favour? The more times people EMail freedom scientific tech support
> and ask why old braille displays aren't supported, (hopefully) the
> more freedom will realise that this is something their user base
> wants. When that navigator 80 gets dropped off tomorrow, I'm
> regrettably going to have to switch to NVDA for tasks involving
> braille, (which is about half of what I use a computer for). I
> definitely won't be buying Jaws anymore that's for sure. But, I would
> if they were a little more responsive to user input and a little less
> capitalistically motivated.
> 
> On 4/12/14, E73KG — Gradimir <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >     Hi to all,
> >
> > Today I got an old Braille display. On Braille display write: Navigator
> > Vblec/2 40-8. Is there any more information about this Braille displays? How
> > to set this old model that works with newer versions of JAWS, such as
> > version 12.0 or later his
> >
> > E73KG,     Gradimir
> >