Unfortunately, while I haven't seen anything that ignorant, I've come close
enough and seen/heard of enough, I have no trouble at all believing it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ronald E. Milliman" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: screen readers
> I'm slipping off into a tangential topic, but as a businessman, I hate
> dealing with the general public. It is getting worse all of the time. That
> is why all of my businesses have focuses more on the business-to-business
> segments, and even at that level, it is pretty challenging sometimes.
>
> Making this ham radio related, hams are notorious for wanting something
> for
> nothing. I took my TS-440 to a hamfest to sell, and I remember one fellow
> really liked it, and he looked it over pretty good, asked lots of
> questions, and walked away, but then, he came back and made me an offer
> well below my asking price, like insultingly low. I told him I couldn't
> take that little for it. I'd be practically giving it away. He told me
> that
> was my problem, not his, and that was his offer, take it or leave it. More
> than what he said was the tone and manner in which he said it. Then, as he
> was walking away, I heard him tell whomever he was with: "That blind xxxx,
> he probably bought that rig with his welfare check, and that is our tax
> money to begin with; so, the son of a xxx should just give it to me since
> I've already paid for it once." I wish I was just making that all up, but
> unfortunately, I'm not. Admittedly, that was more of the exception than
> the
> rule, but it drives home my point about doing business with the public.
>
> Ron, K8HSY
>
>
> At 10:19 AM 12/24/2012 -0500, you wrote:
>>The developer of qwitter was sincere too and look what happened with that.
>>A
>>tantrum, a hissy fit, and pulling the program. I can't say I blame him
>>knowing the situation, but still, if it happened there, it can happen with
>>NVDA, anywhere if they've had enough. Having been in the business of
>>building and fixing computers, sometimes I think labor costs are more for
>>dealing with the people than doing the work, I never found the computer
>>with
>>enough time I couldn't get going. I found many people who I couldn't deal
>>with though.
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Ronald E. Milliman" <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 9:12 AM
>>Subject: Re: screen readers
>>
>>
>>> The two fellows that originally developed and is currently maintaining
>>> NDVA
>>> seem to be totally sincere in their dedication to always providing a
>>> very
>>> excellent free screen reading program. They have some funding from some
>>> major firms in the industry, but they also depend some on individual
>>> contributions. Since it is open source software, and since several
>>> highly
>>> qualified people are assisting them in the on-going development of the
>>> product, I suspect it will be around for quite some time in the future.
>>>
>>> The largest challenge, in my opinion, is whether free products like
>>> NVDA,
>>> or even costly programs like JAWS, will continue to keep up with the
>>> rapidly changing technology and even be needed at some point, not that
>>> far
>>> in the future. We are seeing signs that computers, as we have known them
>>> are soon to be totally obsolete. With the availability of totally
>>> accessible, off the shelf devices, such as the iPhone, iPad, iPod, Apple
>>> TV, I question how much longer there will be a need for programs like
>>> JAWS.
>>> Oh, I am not suggesting JAWS and WindowEyes will no longer exist in five
>>> years, but in ten years, that might be an entirely different issue.
>>> Input
>>> and output using total Voice and thought activation and even thought
>>> interaction with our devices is not out of the question within a very
>>> few
>>> years.
>>>
>>> Ron, K8HSY
>>>
>>>
>>> At 07:32 AM 12/24/2012 -0500, you wrote:
>>>>The problem with the free ones is, they don't owe anyone anything, they
>>>>get
>>>>sick of complaints because of course people want perfection for free, so
>>>>they get sick of the complaints and pull the plug leaving you scrambling
>>>>to
>>>>find something else and learn it. that's especially bad in a work
>>>>environment. I've seen it happen and heard of it happening, thankfully
>>>>never
>>>>to me in a work environment personally though some of the fun programs
>>>>I've
>>>>used it's happened to.
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Howard Kaufman" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 7:21 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: screen readers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I have thought of the same questions many times.
>>>>> And then to see agencies needlessly spending our tax payer money when
>>>>> they
>>>>> could put this technology in to the hands of three times as many
>>>>> clients
>>>>> for
>>>>> the same money, just makes me sick!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Gary Tillinghast" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 8:32 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: screen readers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You would think that with the free screen reading software out there,
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> would think JAWS would be better in pricing. We all should drop it
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> go
>>>>>> FREE! Gary KB2YAA What is the value of a hug if you don't share it?
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "KK4AHX Darren Duff" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 3:23 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: screen readers
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It works great! I dropped jaws back in June and I use NVDA everyday
>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73.
>>>>>> Darren Duff.
>>>>>> amateur radio station KK4AHX.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vice President,
>>>>>> Cherokee Amateur Radio Society.
>>>>>> http://www.cherokeehams.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cherokee County ARES.
>>>>>> http://www.cherokee-ares.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: For blind ham radio operators
>>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Ronald E. Milliman
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 9:58 AM
>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>> Subject: Re: screen readers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Re Free Screen Reading Programs...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am hearing really positive feedback about the NVDA screen reading
>>>>>> program
>>>>>> which is entirely free. I am not using it, but I am sure thinking
>>>>>> seriously
>>>>>> about switching over to it instead of shelling out bucks all of the
>>>>>> time
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> this JAWS program. The one person I know who uses the NVDA screen
>>>>>> reading
>>>>>> program is Riley, KL3RH; so, you can check with him to see what he
>>>>>> tells
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> about it. I think he uses JAWS too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron, K8HSY
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dr. Ronald E. Milliman, retired Professor Western Kentucky University
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chair, American Council of the Blind Public Relations Committee
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chair, American Council of the Blind's Monthly Monetary Support
>>>>>> Program
>>>>>> (MMS) Committee
>>>>
>>> Dr. Ronald E. Milliman, retired Professor Western Kentucky University
>>>
>>> Chair, American Council of the Blind Public Relations Committee
>>>
>>> Chair, American Council of the Blind's Monthly Monetary Support Program
>>> (MMS) Committee
>>
> Dr. Ronald E. Milliman, retired Professor Western Kentucky University
>
> Chair, American Council of the Blind Public Relations Committee
>
> Chair, American Council of the Blind's Monthly Monetary Support Program
> (MMS) Committee
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