Yep, Alan,

I've heard guys with long runs switch to hardline and they, too, could not 
believe the increase in DB signals.  It all ain't cheep; that's for sure.  I 
talked to a guy on 75 meters one night, years ago, who  got a satellite 
tower free from the junkyard if he'd hall the 190 feet of tower away.  It 
was in perfect shape.  He was running RG17 for like over 300 feet to a 2 
element 80 meter beam.  I thought at the time if hardline still wouldn't 
have been better for that long run even for the low frequency.  Shoot, I'd 
take 700 feet of hardline if somebody gave it to me, too, haha but I'd 
insist on the connecters for free, too, haha.

Phil.
K0NX




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan R. Downing" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: Feedline Talk


> Hi Phil, I just didn't want to be told by someone that discussing hardline
> is irrelevant because no one needs to use it.  Hardline is also required 
> on
> long runs.  I was speaking with a friend in Oman on skype yesterday, and 
> he
> was in the midst of replacing a 400 foot run of RG213 to 7/8 hardline on 
> his
> 40 meter circuit, and inch and 5/8 on his 20 meter 6 over 6 stack.  I was
> incredulous that anyone would use RG213 on such a long run.  I heard back
> from him today, and he couldn't believe how much better he can hear 
> stations
> now that he isn't experiencing great losses in his 213 runs.
> I had originally installed half inch Andrew from my shack to the base of 
> my
> tower because I had been given 700 feet of brand new hardline.  Then, for
> some reason that I can no longer recall, I decided that I should replace 
> the
> half inch hardline with 7/8 hardline.  My run is roughly 100 feet from my
> shack to the bottom of my tower, and that 100 foot length of 7/8, + the 
> 7/16
> DIN connectors on each end, cost me something like $800, and I couldn't 
> tell
> any difference.  If the run was for say 900 MHz or higher, there would 
> have
> been a substantial improvement, but at frequencies below 30 MHz,it 
> wouldn't
> be detectable except by high precision instrumentation.
>
>
> Alan R. Downing
> Phoenix, AZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: For blind ham radio operators [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> On Behalf Of Phil Scovell
> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 2:48 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Feedline Talk
>
> Alan,
>
> I must be weird but I find feedline discussions as interesting as antennas
> and antenna building.
>
> Phil.
> K0NX
>