There is nothing wrong with using amps and I know many responsible hams
using them very well and they sound great including those on 3.999.   

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From: For blind ham radio operators [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
On Behalf Of John Miller
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 8:38 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: My response to the new ham creed post

Huh? Are you talking CB or ham radio here? 90% of hams I know on HF have
amps and you can't even tell they have them other than the bigger signals
here and there. I know people on CB who run dirty but can't say I've seen
much of it on ham radio unless things have changed since late August. I hope
to find out soon, I'll hopefully be back on HF soon and if the rumored RACES
program going away happens around here, it's very possible I may *only* be
on HF and 900 MHz after that.
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From: "Harry Brown" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 2:57 AM
Subject: My response to the new ham creed post


> Hi all,
> I just read the "new ham creed" thread, very interesting.
> I've responded to some of the comments.
> "if you heard someone splattering up and down the band on sideband, 
> you = politely broke in, told him about it, and generally the man 
> thanked you = for letting him know and made adjustments to fix the
problem."
> I have mixed emotions about this topic.
> A few years ago, I criticized a ham about his signal on the air.
> He said to me, "Trippy, you gonna come over here and fix it for me?"
> That shut me up, real quick.
> I've painfully learned ever since that day, if I was gonna criticize = 
> another ham for his/her stations performance, I better match my = 
> criticism with either telling him/her how to fix it, or, going over = 
> there and fixing it myself.
> "these boys were loud, in other words, and often such stations are = 
> running pretty big amplifiers which put out a lot more than the legal 
> = limit, if you get my meaning,"
> I get the meaning, but you don't know that, meaning, how much power 
> was = being used, so why did you even say it?
> Unless you can prove that kind of statement, don't say it.
> "I've seen them literally move off frequency, tell the station too 
> close = to their quiet channel to move, and if he does?  They all move 
> down on = top of him and talk as if he isn't there."
> I completely agree with this part of the post!
> What I would do in those situations, and have done it myself, is when 
> I = hear a station doing that, I record the event happening, and send 
> it to = the FCC.
> I've gotten stations licenses taken away and I will continue to do it, 
> = when they deliberately get on a frequency that's being used, and 
> start = talking, without even seeing if the frequency is in use.  We 
> need = another Riley Hollingsworth in our hobby, really, really bad.
> "Anyhow, they got to ragging on him because he wouldn't turn on his = 
> amp,"
> Pretty soon, there will be a change in amateur radio.
> Many hams are talking with the FCC about this very issue now, the 
> issue = of amps.
> In ham radio, there should be no amps used on HF, everybody should 
> have = the 250 watt limit.
> This will result in fair, and more civil, hf operation.
> "100 to 180 foot towers,"
> If I had my way, and could do it financially, I would love to buy a 
> 180 = foot tower for every ham, with antennas to go along with it, at 
> least I = can dream, right?
> "I thought it was sort of funny he was pissing off the big boys with 
> his = weaker signal.  I believe he was doing it on purpose,"
> I hope he was, and I don't blame him for it.  Like you all, I've been 
> = that weaker station, and hams with big amps hate those of us who 
> don't = have them.
> "There used to be a group on 3.999 called the 99ers who pretty much 
> insisted you join them with an amp."
> Well, the 99ers days are numbered, I can tell you that.
> 73,
> Trippy, ac8s