as to noise bridges, both the mfj212 and the tentec 1051 are easily used.

the tentec is a kit selling for $21, +$5.96 for the recommended enslosure.

A competent builder can put this together in lesss than two hours.

Both are simple to operate, require no interfaces at all and work as 
advertized.
For the tentec, if you have no one to build for you, there is an 
organization called
qrpkitbuilders which will build kits for a nominal fee.

So, no excuses folks, workable solutions are out there.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "eric oyen" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Testers needed


> there is a problem though=85 THe Palomar Tuner-tuner is no longer =
> manufactured. I have looked at some of the other "noise bridges" and =
> very few of those are as simple to use. Unfortunately, I don't have the =
> funds to do more than test one in any 6 months. SO, this makes testing =
> (and reviewing) a near impossible task for me.
>
> I have 2 criteria for blind friendly products:
> 1. fool proof (plug it in, read the directions and go)
> 2. accessible features (such as sound or computer interface that works =
> with a screen reader).
>
> if it Doesn't meet #2, then chances are that it might not be a very good =
> #1 either.
>
> -eric
>
> On Dec 5, 2013, at 7:09 AM, Butch Bussen wrote:
>
>> You don't need two tones to tune a rig or a tuner.  I just tune for =
> max=20
>> out.  Also, you can use the mfj noise bridge to adjust the tuner and=20=
>
>> don't need to transmit at all.
>> 73
>> Butch
>> WA0VJR
>> Node 3148
>> Wallace, ks.
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Wed, 4 Dec 2013, eric oyen wrote:
>>=20
>>> never mind my last.
>>>=20
>>> btw, I was thinking of an audio SWR setup that would produce 2 tones =
> =3D
>>> simultaneously. THis would the the audio equivalent to a cross-needle =
> =3D
>>> SWR setup. left channel would be reflected, right channel would be =3D
>>> forward. tuning would then be easy with a manual tuner. just adjust =3D=
>
>>> until you find the lowest pitch for reflected at the same time that =
> you =3D
>>> find the highest pitch for forward power. this would probably best be =
> =3D
>>> used with headphones (for sound separation).
>>>=20
>>> -eric
>>>=20
>>> On Dec 4, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Mike Keithley wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> The original ATOM is described on the blind ham products website at =
> =3D
>>> www.blind-ham-products.com. There you'll find pictures of what it =
> looks =3D
>>> like, explanations of how it can be used, Manuals, and audio =3D
>>> demonstrations.
>>>> =3D20
>>>> This is for the original ATOM, which sold for $90. The new ATOM is =3D=
>
>>> basically the same as the old one except that it can handle much more =
> =3D
>>> power, uses a different battery that is easier to replace, and =
> "ticks" =3D
>>> at no power so you'll remember to turn it off. We haven't officially =
> set =3D
>>> the price, but I believe it will be around $120.=3D20
>>>> =3D20
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Jim Gammon <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Date: Wednesday, December 4, 2013 0:31
>>>> Subject: Re: Testers needed
>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> Am interested in this unit, but am only running a TS-480 and=3D20
>>>>> TS-2000, both running only 100 watts.  But, would like to know=3D20
>>>>> more about it, and the cost of such a unit.  Jim WA6EKS
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Mike Keithley <[log in to unmask]
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Date sent: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 15:51:56 -0800
>>>>> Subject: Testers needed
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> Hello List,
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> We are developing an ATOm that will handle up to 1 KW of power. =3D20=
>
>>>>> Anyone here running high power who'd like to test a prototype?
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> The new device also has improved sensitivity at low power =
> levels,=3D20
>>>>> with a positive indication of 250 milliwatts.  We're also using =
> a=3D20
>>>>> 9-volt battery, and the device ticks with no power so you don't=3D20
>>>>> forget to turn it off.
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> Please email [log in to unmask]
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>=20
>>>=20