Actually, I don't think Howard misses the point at  all, John.  Ham radio is 
a combination of radio, technology and comunication.  At least Echo Link is 
2 out of 3 of those.  If you insist on having the radio part involved, 
that's fine.  I think most of us on this list would prefer things that way 
but we also understand that not everyone can.  We well know your feelings on 
Echo Link.  You've stated them quite clearly on a number of occasions and of 
course you're absolutely entitled to that oppinion.  But at this point, I 
think we just need to agree to disagree.  Folks aren't going to stop using 
echo link just because you disaproove so let those who enjoy it use it as 
they choose.  I'll be happy to work you on HF and, if I ever get on Echo 
Link as I'd like to some day, I won't expect to find you there.  Peace,  lou 
WA3MIX
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: intro


> you miss the point 110%. I'm not against anything that actually has to do
> with radio, echolink doesn't, that's computer, as I've said before radio
> implies RF but some don't understand that, some never will understand that
> and others just don't care. At least the majority seem to still care and 
> do
> it right. With that, I'm off to work on my 900 MHz repeater, seeing every
> time this topic comes up the guilt of those who use E L and know they're
> doing something very wrong and get highly offended but won't do anything
> about it. So, I have better things to do, than hang around on this list 
> all
> day. I'm off to do some actual work, and maybe actually make some contacts
> on HF if I have time.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Howard Kaufman" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:27 AM
> Subject: Re: intro
>
>
>> You are right John!  Those mike plugs must be taken out of every radio
>> immediately.  If people start using them, they will never learn use or
>> retain the code, and that will be the end of ham radio!  We must prevent
>> the
>> use of phone transmissions to save ham radio!  Only people who own homes,
>> have land, can put up large effecient antenna systems, operate amplifiers
>> and suffisticated tranceivers are to be allowed in ham radio.  No snow
>> birds
>> with temporary locations, apartment dwellers, renters, condo association
>> members, none of theese must ever ever be allowed to bring their knolege
>> and
>> skills to our sacred hobby.
>> G-d forbid that we use of new technollogy to communicate with each other,
>> rather than make contact with each other.  I can get a qsl card from
>> China,
>> whoopie!  Can I talk long enough to learn about the person I am talking
>> to?
>> No way!  I think wall paper from Home depo is a lot cheaper than covering
>> my
>> wall with cards proving I had a 30 second contact with a station, but
>> learned nothing for my effort or expence.