Hello Colin,
I guess if you can have all of the things you need programmed into the radio it would work.
I have used radios which did not have a voice chip in them by counting the frequencies.
I keep a Braille list of frequencies for my Icom 706 even though I can find out what frequency I am on by pushing a button.
I do not care if I can't program the radio for d-star because I do not program my radios now.
Colleen Roth, N8TNV;
----- Original Message -----
From: Colin McDonald <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Thursday, Dec 20, 2012 08:24:38 PM
Subject: Re: In a state of disbelief here
>
>
> no, the internet is not required to use DStar. It is only required if you
> wish to connect through gateways to other DStar repeaters and users...much
> like IRLP in that one respect.
> A DStar repeater can be used stand alone like any other repeater, except
> it's digital, and allows for both voice and data transfer. Very useful if
> there is a large emergency and individual stations both mobile and handheld
> need to be tracked and mapped so that the right assets can be sent to the
> right places etc. Also, your call sign and a user programmable ID message
> are sent each time you key the mike, so it's yet another way to keep track
> of stations during an emergency.
> DStar can also be used on simplex just like regular analogue FM...WITHTHE
> addition of data via RF. So, you can send semi-secure messages that way and
> get allot more words across in a much shorter amount of time compared with
> someone speaking them, potentially making speech errors and then having to
> repeat it all...
> You also do not need to register with the DStar people to use your local
> DStar repeaters, but if you wish to use the reflectors and connect through
> gateways and so on, you have to be registered...wh is a simple enough
> process and there is no yes or no sort of game, you submit registration and
> they register you as long as you hold a valid license. Like Echo link in
> that respect.
> I don't much like the audio quality of DStar myself, but it's certainly a
> viable method of communication no more prone to failure than anything else
> is.
> A DStar radio is as likely to break down or not communicate as a non-DStar
> radio, and the same true for the repeaters themselves.
> As for accessibility, that's not a difficult one to get around because you
> simply program separate memory locations with the various gateways and
> reflectors you want to use and the rest is automated. It's no different
> than talking on an FM radio once the various protocols are set up in the
> radio. Setting up those protocols is about the only inaccessible thing
> about DStar for us.
> The monopoly on DStar by Icom is a sore point for me as well, and there is
> most definitely a little bit too much consumer marketting going on in the
> upper teers of amateur radio and within circles of hams who have influence.
> However, you don't have to like DStar, but at least understand it, and judge
> it based on it's marrits and not just the fact that you don't like it, or
> Icom or whatever the case may be. If it's a matter of not liking DStar
> because the radios that have DStar don't have voice chips, well, that's not
> really a valid reason either because now your not judging DStar but your
> judging the inaccessibility of the radio instead, which has nothing to do
> with DStar.
> Sounds like crap, but so does GSM and pretty much any digital cellular
> telephone these days, and we all have one of those...and we all had one
> before they became accessible to, so I don't get the big hate on for DStar.
>
> 73
> Colin, V A6BKX
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Butch Bussen" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 6:25 PM
> Subject: Re: In a state of disbelief here
>
>
> > Same here. To me it is obvious they're trying to push it off on
> > everyone. They're giving away repeaters. O our club here got one and
> > all they had to do was get ten people to say they'd use it. I'm not at
> > all interested, isn't at all accessible and is way to complicated to run
> > as far as I'm concerned. The other point I think people forget is that
> > it depends on the internet, and in a real emergency, will the internet
> > be there?
> > 73
> > Butch
> > WA0VJR
> > Node 3148
> > Wallace, ks.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 20 Dec 2012, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> >
> >ar I have lots of objections to DStar myself, namely the high cost, that =
> >ar Icom is the only manufacturer that does dStar, and its proprietary =
> >ar nature. Especially the proprietary nature of the protocol strikes me as =
> >ar fundamentally at odds with everything else we do with amateur radio. =
> >ar But, what do I know"=20
> >ar --
> >ar Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV — Erie, PA
> >ar Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> >ar
> >ar
> >ar
> >ar On Dec 20, 2012, at 7:02 AM, Tom Behler <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >ar
> >>> Well, not here yet, and many people are resisting it, due in no =
> >ar small=20
> >>> part to the overall high cost of a D Star radio.
> >>> =20
> >>> And, this says nothing about accessibility issues.
> >>> =20
> >>> 73 from Tom Behler: KB8TYJ
> >>> =20
> >>> ----- Original Message -----=20
> >>> From: "Ray T. Mahorney" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:51 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: In a state of disbelief here
> >>> =20
> >>> =20
> >>>> that is interesting because a fair number of EOC's here in Ohio are=20=
> >ar
> >>>> migrating to DSTAR.
> >>>> =20
> >>>> =20
> >>>> Ray T. Mahorney
> >>>> WA4WGA
> >>>> =20
> >>>> =20
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: For blind ham radio operators =
> >ar [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> >>>> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 00:05
> >>>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>> Subject: Re: In a state of disbelief here
> >>>> =20
> >>>> Ray:
> >>>> =20
> >>>> No D Star here yet, and I don't know of any plans for it soon.
> >>>> =20
> >>>> This is why the choice of rigs on the part of the powers that be was =
> >ar so
> >>>> strange.
> >>>> =20
> >>>> 73 from Tom Behler: KB8TYJ
> >>>> =20
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----=20
> >>>> From: "Ray T. Mahorney" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:43 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: In a state of disbelief here
> >>>> =20
> >>>> =20
> >>>>> no they do not nor does Icomm sell speech boards for those radios =
> >ar they=20
> >>>>> are
> >>>>> both DSTAR radios and as
> >>>>> such there is no accessibility on the digital side. Has your county
> >>>>> adopted DSTAR?
> >>>>> =20
> >>>>> =20
> >>>>> Ray T. Mahorney
> >>>>> WA4WGA
> >>>>> =20
> >>>>> =20
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: For blind ham radio operators=20
> >>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> >>>>> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 00:15
> >>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>>> Subject: In a state of disbelief here
> >>>>> =20
> >>>>> Hi, all
> >>>>> =20
> >>>>> Recently, in my region of west-central lower Michigan, the power =
> >ar that be
> >>>>> obtained an equipment grant to purchase all new equipment for our =
> >ar county
> >>>>> EOC's. Sounds great, right???
> >>>>> =20
> >>>>> Well, for one thing, none of us as EC's were consulted on the rig =
> >ar and
> >>>>> other
> >>>>> equipment choices, so we ended up with rigs with which none of us =
> >ar were
> >>>>> familiar.
> >>>>> =20
> >>>>> But, here's the real kicker:
> >>>>> =20
> >>>>> Two of the rigs are the Icom IC2820 VHF/UHF dual-band radio, and the =
> >ar Icom
> >>>>> IC2200 2-meter radio. Upon checking in the AES catalog, and calling =
> >ar AES
> >>>>> for
> >>>>> confirmation, it seems that these radios do not have a voice =
> >ar synthesizer
> >>>>> chip option. If this is true, of course, the rigs will be of =
> >ar limited use
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> me as EC in the Emergency Operations Center, unless I have sighted
> >>>>> assistance with me at all times.
> >>>>> =20
> >>>>> Can someone verify for me that these rigs actually do not have a =
> >ar voice
> >>>>> chip
> >>>>> option??
> >>>>> =20
> >>>>> Tom Behler: KB8TYJ
> >>>>> =20
> >>>> =20
> >ar
> >ar
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