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Ok, Wilmot, you are begining to do the spillover
thing. Now you are battling at two fronts - at the
AAM and LAW fronts. Why not marshall your forces to
contain one front before jumping to the other. In the
end, you might learn some good lessons to help you win
the overall moral and soul battles. Or, is Field
Marshall-General, Vera C, holding tightly at AAM?
Seasons greetings,
Askia
--- "Wilmot B. Valhmu" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Settro,
>
> Some of the things you pointed out (e.g., that
> people can do what they want to do within the
> confines of the law, that people have the right to
> say or not say Merry Christmas) are obvious, and I
> do agree. But I do disagree with you fundamentally
> (no pun intended) when you say that Christmas is not
> being purged. How aware are you of this issue?
> Have you followed this and similar issues before to
> see whether there is any merit to what I said, or
> did you just disagree because you felt that I might
> be intolerant?
>
> The issue about businesses not displaying or
> including the phrase "Merry Christmas" in their
> stores or circulars is just one of the various
> attempts to eliminate mention of Christ or God in
> American culture. The ACLU and others are fighting
> to remove displays of the Ten Commandments from
> public places, all under the guise of upholding the
> "separation of church and state". Never mind that a
> good deal of American jurisprudence is based upon
> the Ten Commandments. There is currently a case
> pending in the Supreme Court of the United States on
> this issue. It gets even more egregious when school
> administrators censor students' speeches at
> commencement, forbidding them to contain religious
> content, or prevent students from holding on school
> premises meetings that are religious in nature while
> allowing all other groups to meet. Again, this is
> all done in the name of "separation of church and
> state."
>
> From where does this so-called doctrine of
> separation of church and state come? You might
> believe, or some may have you believe, that it comes
> from the U.S. Constitution, but there is no such
> provision in the Constitution. The First Amendment
> of the Constitution states, "Congress shall make no
> law respecting an establishment of religion, or
> prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging
> the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right
> of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition
> the Government for a redress of grievances."
>
> Those who advocate separation of church and state
> appropriate the first part of this amendment,
> "Congress shall make no law respecting an
> establishment of religion...", but forget to note
> the part saying "... or prohibiting the free
> exercise thereof". This latter part means that
> Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free
> exercise of religion. The law here does not call
> for separation of church and state. What it does
> call for is that there shall neither be laws
> establishing state or federal religion, nor shall
> there be laws that curtail the free exercise of
> religion. What the ACLU and others are doing is
> trying to eliminate God and Christ from the public
> arena, in violation of the First Amendment.
>
> Getting back to the issue of Christmas, I must point
> out that I digressed to speak about constitutional
> issues only to make it clear that this Christmas
> issue is not an isolated one; rather, it?s part of a
> bigger trend or effort to suppress Christian
> expression. We can discuss this further in private,
> if you please.
>
> The point of my last e-mail was not that people
> should not have the right to say ?Happy Holiday? or
> ?Season?s Greetings?. My point was that they should
> not wipe out the mention of Christ under the guise
> of inclusiveness and then expect us Christians to
> patronize their businesses. And where it falls in
> the pattern of eliminating God or Christ from our
> culture, I am ready to fight to prevent that. As a
> Christian, you may believe in a different approach,
> but this is how I see it. If you disparage Christ,
> you?re not my friend. Period!
>
> Have a blessed day,
>
> - Wilmot
>
>
>
>
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> From: Isaac Settro <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 2004/12/20 Mon PM 10:50:32 CST
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [LIBERIANASSOCIATION] What's happening
> to Christmas?
>
>
> Hey Wilmot....
>
> NOTHING....
> I understand your concern as a christain but I also
> want to tell you that this country is not a
> fundamentalist christian nation. This is a free
> country where people can do what they want to do
> once
> they operate within the confine of the LAW.
>
> Today the president of the United States wished
> every
> American HAPPY HOLIDAY. This phrase happy holiday
> include Merry Christmas and a happy New Year. I am
> tire of people trying to divide people base on
> religious expression.
>
> Wilmot nobody will stop you from saying Merry
> Christmas therefore nobody should stop the
> businesses
> from saying what their management decide to say.
> What
> if people start telling christain to celebrate the
> muslim, Jewish and other religious holiday will you
> like it. The United States can 't be the next Saudi
> Arabia. This country is the beacon of hope for many
> with respect to political, religious and economics
> freedom.
>
> Every christain value this day and will celebrate it
> in their churches, homes, workplace and in the
> street
> as deem necessary.
>
> So wilmot I strongly disagree with you when you say
> Christmas is being purged.
>
> In closing, let me extend Merry Christmas and happy
> New Year as well as Happy Holiday to you.
>
> Settro
> --- "Wilmot B. Valhmu" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Hi, everyone!
> >
> > Have you noticed? Christmas is being purged.
> > Believe it!
> >
> > This year, I have not seen the word "Christmas" in
> > any commercial establishment to which I've been,
> > save for Christian bookstores. What about you?
> > Have you seen any displays of "Merry Christmas"
> > anywhere?
> >
> > Most department stores have substituted "Happy
> > Holidays" or "Season's Greetings" for "Merry
> > Christmas". What's up with that? If Christmas is
> > that for which we are buying all the gifts, then
> why
> > won't some acknowledge it?
> >
> > I started taking note of this a few weeks ago when
> I
> > listened to a talk show on a local Christian radio
> > station, discussing the issue of Target stores
> > forbidding the Salvation Army from soliciting in
> > front of their stores. It seems that for the sake
> > of political correctness or some undisclosed
> > reasons, references to Christ (Jesus Christ) are
> > systematically being eliminated from public
> > discourse or establishments. This is outrageous,
> > especially where Christmas is concerned,
> considering
> > that Jesus Christ is the reason why we celebrate
> > Christmas. There is no Christmas, or legitimate
> > reason for celebrating December 25th as a holiday,
> > without Him.
> >
> > Christians are taking note. If the secularists
> want
> > to eliminate God or Christ from our culture, then
> we
> > are all gamed for a fight. We will not take this
> > lying down.
> >
> > Starting next Christmas season, I will let store
> > managers know how I feel about this issue. And if
> > need be, I will only celebrate Christ at Christmas
> > and stop buying and sending gifts. It is more
> > important that Christ is glorified at Christmas,
> not
> > the commercialized sending of gifts.
> >
> > My hope is that we all, especially Christians,
> > concur.
> >
> > Have a blessed day!
> >
> > - Wilmot
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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