Saul,
If you realy mean what you are saying, why beating the bush then? You
rigthly confirmed that your friends where within all these so called
"Tribal" groupings.
Certainly, am not trying to impress anyone! and am telling you that, am not
defending Robinson as a person! am talking about his proposal. You see,
maybe you dont know the brother, and I guess that is the reason for all this
noise, but I find it strange you talking about me like the way you did, you
possibly know me? and if you do you may know aswell that I am not the type
who tries to impress people! about what??
Well, lets not get imotional. I guess this is nothing personal but a
gathering of ideas and thoughts. I am not here to tell you who is Alpha and
my knowledge about him. I will not be doing favour to the panell for doing
so! however, the impression I got in his piece will be substantial to
elaborate on.
The brother was concern with the unfortunate ample supply of problems in the
Gambia, and atleast came out with some humble ideas about how to solve them.
We are certain that the problems will not disapear magically by themselves,
they most be solved, or atleast managed! what proposals do you have for
that? One thing I know is that, in order to solve these problems we will
not put faith in ethnicsm, nor to someone with his/her panaceas, this we
shall consider to be naive and irresponsible. Large scale( meaning
collectively) ,concerted efforts by determined people should be the work
force of this agenda.You believe it or not, your idea and believe cannot
suscribe to such!
Therefore, Saul! If you are willing or about teach us about our origins, and
what we should know, I would be with the opinion that you first develop a
process of awareness of the nature and gravity of the challenges in the
Gambia, the complex situation and if there is any solution to it! that is
what I expect to hear from you not about me personaly or Robinson! that is
nonesense!
I think any genuine person, will understand that the process of development
should avoid the festering of such backward ideas of yours,"Tribal" issues!
The proposals Alpha raised came at a time when the expectation became demand
on the economic and political machinery that are inevitably unmet, giving
rise to frustration and outrage.What examples did you learned from this?
experienced! otherwise from other nations who had been in the same
situation? What do policy makers do in such situations? To some extend we
can take refuge to history! I thought we should have therefore, enhance
peaceful and well defined manners with the mind of nation building. That was
the essence of that wounderful piece of Alpha! The problem is there, and we
shall not try to avoid grappling with those problems we already admit!We
should not either, exihibit a childlike faith that a divine intervention
will solve them. What am saying is that, we could have by now been
discussing other productive questions than this. Well, that seems not to be
the case here, as we are permitted to engage in happier pursuits for the
sake of writing!
Anyway, Saul I am certain that there is a common goal, and without doubt we
are all suscribing to a better Gambia, and the appropriation of the forces
to build that is nothing more than the development of ideas corresponding to
individual way of annalysing. In order to achieve state objectives, I am
well aware that we can deffer in policies and believe me there is nothing
personal with that, you are entittle to your opinion.But we shall most
candidly and deffinately not tollarate the idea of "Tribalism". We are
concern with the development of the Gambia, which I believe should
strongly be policies based on collectivism including all at large! In this
regard,I believe that it is our duty to be betttressed by our obligations,
to drive us to try the most prudent action possible, and that is what this
panel I supossed is asking about! What do you have in the closset to offer?
Saul, please dont be emotional, its the GL that put us together which I
thought is a great thing. That we can even discuss something of this nature,
that is great! Just be reasonable and dont attack on the person, evaluate on
the topic. I dont know you so I guess I cant say anything about you and even
if I do, it would not be on the GL. It is not a personal corresponding
pannel!
Peace brother Saul.
Yahya
>From: saul khan <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
><[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:03:30 GMT
>
>Yaya,
>
>I don't know what's getting into you, but you're holding unto the wrong
>vine! We (yourself and I) grew up in one of the most culturally eclectic
>communities in the Gambia: SereKunda/Tallinding/LatriKunda. Mandingo, Jola,
>Wollof, Serere, Manjago, Karoninka ... name it, it was there. If others
>don't know this, Yaya, you do. We have mutual friends from virtually every
>"tribe" in the Gambia. Remember my close friends: Dam Jeng, Sidia Badji,
>Sheriff Newlands, Pa Leese Mendy, and the Jallow-Jallows? So I find it
>funny
>that you're trying to paint me as a narrow-minded tribalist. Who are you
>trying to impress? What are you trying to prove?
>
>What is even more ironical is that, you're defending Alpha Robinson, your
>knowledge of whom does not extend anywhere beyond his public persona. What
>do you know about Alpha other than the fact that he was supposed to be the
>firebrand Head Boy of GHS who caused a raucous at that school in the
>mid-80s? Or the equally controversial fracas he was involved in in China in
>'89. In some books, that qualifies Alpha as a progressive. Maybe he is. I
>don't know anything about him beyond that. I have no ill will against the
>guy. I, in fact subscribe to many of his proposals, and I've said this in
>my
>original piece. But I do have a problem with the ethnic issue he raised.
>I've challenged him to tell me who these "ethnic" campaigners are, and if
>I'm wrong, I'll apologize. Alpha denied he is referring to Darbo and UDP,
>but Basiru Ndow who first jumped to his defense, is honest enough to admit
>that Darbo is in fact the politician Alpha is referring to just -as I knew
>he was. Who's lying here? Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see
>who
>the target of his "ethnic" campaigning is. Like I told Alpha originally,
>there's this ethnic nonsense going on, on all sides. Why insinuate that
>it's
>one-sided? I've said, let's expose anyone individual guilty of this
>divisiveness, and condemn him/her. What's tribalist about that?
>
>A tribe-less society in Gambia is an ideal that we have to work towards. We
>are not there yet. And not to be the devil's advocate, but I don't see us
>getting there in our lifetime. We're doing better than our parents, and I
>hope our children will fare better. But you cannot solve your problem by
>pushing it under the rug. We have a tribal problem in the Gambia. And it's
>not only the politicians that are guilty. It's any of us who perpetuate
>stereotypes of one ethnic group or another, or laughs at jokes that
>ridicule
>one group or another, or denies someone scholarship b/c of their ethnicity.
>These are still the reality in the Gambia. I did not create this. To
>pretend that it's not there would not solve it. We all need to come to
>terms
>w/ this, put everything on the table, discuss it, see where everyone is
>coming from, and heal our nation. Just like this society (US) is trying to
>do. Otherwise, we can play dumb/naïve all we want, when the dust settles,
>the problem will still be here. On both this forum and Gambianews.com,
>there
>are occasional stories of how serious tribalism now is in the Gambia. And
>from what I gather, it's not coming from the angle Alpha seems to suggest.
>
>The fact that I dare discuss this so-called sensitive (some may say
>explosive) issue should tell you s'thing about me. I just don't have
>anything to hide or prove! Let's all summon our courage and face this
>tribal
>issue. It won't go away by all of us sticking our heads up in the clouds
>like you're doing Yaya. And, Yaya, you're not sophisticated only b/c you
>don't know what "tribalism" is. Just visit the Gambia now, and no one will
>need to remind you. Look at the changes going on in the army, the police,
>and the overall civil service. If you can't see the obvious, god help you.
>In any case, it's not fair for me to put more on your plate than you can
>chew. If you can't comprehend, what I've been saying about this issue, good
>luck. But, just to set the record straight, I did not start this "ethnic"
>talk. Alpha did. If he were honest enough to mention the people he's
>referring to originally, we would have put this to rest a long time ago.
>
>Peace.
>
>Saul
>
>PS
>If for some weird reason, this is your way of proving loyalty to Alpha, you
>can call me a Backward Tribalist. I don't mind. I've never been bothered by
>lies. You know that Yaya!
>
>Saul
>
>
>>From: yeks drame <[log in to unmask]>
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>><[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:05:07 PST
>>
>>Saul,
>>I mean, why are you taking such a stance. Its unproductive! very backward,
>>and can even be considered irresponsible! for that matter.
>>Off course, I did read your piece, and it doesn't sound positive.
>>
>>I think you need to use your mind better! No body is going to be out here
>>to
>>entertain such ideas! Robinson's piece was very educative and smart. A
>>better Gambia, is the agenda Saul, in case you missed the point!
>>Do you consider the out come of such ideas as "Tribalism"? what effects do
>>they have? Why are you puting energy on"Tribal" diversity?
>>
>>I have been reading some of your wounderful pieces, and thought you were
>>more smart than this. Take a little research on that word "Tribe" and see
>>if
>>it even fit our society! It has more wider meanings and effects than you
>>may
>>think. We shall not entertain that Saul! be careful! its realy backwarded
>>and unproductive.
>>
>>I think, if you dont have anything to add, or argue constructively,please
>>give chance to others who can come up better ideas concerning the progress
>>and prosperity of our people. We are not out here just for a matter of
>>challeging others.We are here to discuss ideas.Further more I will
>>consider
>>this a waste of time and energy for you, because the average Gambian is
>>very
>>well aware of the effects of this so called "tribal" issue." so please
>>"lagg
>>av nu"
>>
>>No hard feelings brother, "tribal" issues doesn't suit us! we are one.
>>
>>Yahya
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: saul khan <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>Subject: Reply to Yaya Drammeh on Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L
>>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:14:31 GMT
>>>
>>>Yaya, Yaya, Yaya...
>>>
>>>Some things just don't change. Do they? Read my piece and read Alpha's
>>>again, and ask yourself who the real tribalist is. Like they say around
>>>here, "the mind is a terrible thing to waste." Use your mind Yaya!
>>>
>>>Saul.
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: yeks drame <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>Subject: Re: Reply to Basiru Ndow:Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L]
>>>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 03:42:32 PST
>>>>
>>>>What are U up to Saul?
>>>>I am disapointed with those ideas of "tribal defendance"
>>>>Alpha's proposals were not "tribal" nor were they so bad as you may have
>>>>thought.If he sound wrong in his proposals, may be you have a better
>>>>idea.
>>>>We will certainly love to hear that one too!
>>>>
>>>>Any way, I am certain that Robinson, is a reasonable and responsible
>>>>person
>>>>who can clarify his agenda better than I may do.However, we sould not be
>>>>out
>>>>here to entertain such backward ideas as "tribalism"
>>>>Infact I even hate thet word! Am sorry brother but, I thought,we should
>>>>have
>>>>by now been thinking far ahead of that. What is "tribalism"?????
>>>>
>>>>Yahya
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: saul khan <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>>>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>Subject: Reply to Basiru Ndow:Alpha's Proposals for Gambia-L]
>>>>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 05:00:13 GMT
>>>>>
>>>>>Basiru,
>>>>>
>>>>>You need to go back and read my article again. I'm not a fan of
>>>>>Ousainou's.
>>>>>However, whether he's another Jawara is beside the point. The gist of
>>>>>my
>>>>>article is that we should go after individuals who, for one reason or
>>>>>another are keeping our nation down, not any particular group or tribe.
>>>>>
>>>>>If you have evidence that Ousainou was campaigning on tribalism,
>>>>>produce
>>>>>it,
>>>>>and I'll be the first to condemn him. Regarding the D30K, I'm not
>>>>>familiar
>>>>>with the case. But YOU can use this forum to raise that issue.
>>>>>
>>>>>Regarding my contention w/ Alpha, if all you have is what you've said
>>>>>here,
>>>>>that's very sad. We can do better than taking cheap shots at each
>>>>>other.
>>>>>If
>>>>>you want to engage in an intelligent argument by producing evidence to
>>>>>back
>>>>>your assertions, I'm game. But if your only mission is to engage in
>>>>>sleaze,
>>>>>you'll have to look elsewhere. So Mr. Ndow, you either put up, or just
>>>>>shut
>>>>>up! I won't dignify your sleaze.
>>>>>
>>>>>Saul.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: Basiru Ndow <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>Subject: [Fwd: Reply to Alpha's Some proposals for Gambia-L]
>>>>>>Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:20:06 -0600
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Saul,
>>>>>> Your article is absolute nonsense.!!!!!you need to broaden up your
>>>>>>mind
>>>>>>and stop
>>>>>>pretending, whether you like it or not, this is the tactic that
>>>>>>Ousainou
>>>>>>used as a last resort to win the last elections..After all Ousainou is
>>>>>>just
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>REPLICA of the ousted PPP regime, he was recently indicted by the
>>>>>>commission after collecting D30,969.00 from public coffers to recover
>>>>>>$74,000. from the defunct NTC, he never did his Job and never return
>>>>>>our money back....Wow!!!! Is he not going to be another Jawara or
>>>>>>Jammeh
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Basiru Ndow
>>>>>>
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