hi i down loaded both loupe and lens from shareware.com lens is better than loupe, it's very simular to the new microsoft magnifier in windows 98. both of these programs are only partial magnifiers ie they display a small window into which the magnified portion of the screen is displayed I think a full shareware or low cost screen magnifier can be obtained from dolpin.com hope this helps russell bloom List Archives http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/vicug-l.html Index of Vicugs http://trfn.clpgh.org/vipace/vicug/vicugs.html Subscription Form http://trfn.clpgh.org/vipace/vicug/subscribe.html Mail Contact [log in to unmask]