Evidently, different people interpreted and remembered what Dale said
differently. Accepting that Dale is presently a strong MSAA supporter, I'm
looking forward to learning why, since, as I understand it, Artic is one of
the few remaining screen readers not to support IE4 or IE5 in a market
release (evidently MSAA so far hasn't done a lot for its development path
after IE3).
Regardless of what was said and meant, it is probably a matter of
interpretation and recollection, not an issue of facts and dishonesty
(unless a good transcription of the event is obtained and analyzed). Since
my recollection of Dale's talk was not inconsistent with that of the author,
I had no reason to think I was circulating "innacurate information." With
all due respect, your message did not just report what Dale believes to have
been a mistake in reporting. Essentially, it publicly criticized the NFB
for posting the article on the web and me for distributing it.
Regards,
Jamal
I have no argument with Jamal. I simply wanted to relay what Dale
McDaniel told me yesterday.
Others were in the audience last July as well and reported on the
session extensively. What they heard was Ted Henter expressing
concerns about depending on Microsoft for upgrades to MSAA before
updating their products. Henter-Joyce went ahead and achieved very
good access to Internet Explorer 4.1 before the other screen reader
vendors because they did not wait for MSAA. Dale McDaniel then
got up and said that he was going to present a totally different
approach. He spoke in favor of MSAA and still supports it and uses
it.
That's what occurred. If that sounds like Ted and Dale agreed,
then they agreed.
The vast majority of people on this list don't post messages. I
think I understand why.
Jay Leventhal
On Sat, 13 Feb 1999, Jamal Mazrui wrote:
> On the GUI-TALK list, Dale McDaniel of Artic also said the
>newsletter had inaccurately reported his position and that he
>would further explain later. As someone who was in the audience
>that day, however, my recollection is essentially the same as
>that of the newsletter editor. I remember Dale basically
>agreeing with Ted and then going on to discuss Artic and the NFB
>developing software access guidelines collaboratively. If Dale's
position has evolved since then, that's fine, and we're looking
>forward to hearing it. > Regarding the spreading of erroneous
>information, even if I wasn't in the audience at the time, I had
>no reason to doubt that the editor made a good faith effort to
>accurately report what occured, and so had no reason to attempt
>to validate the various points made. I often share information
>that I think will be of interest to others in lists in which I
>participate. That does not mean I have taken pains to verify the
>information or endorse its opinions. Naturally, if something
>appeared highly suspect, I would try to validate it. Circulating
a couple of articles from a newsletter of a leading blindness
>consumer organization was not such a case. > Regards,
> Jamal
> ----- Original Message Follows -----
> I have to point out that a big mistake was made in this posting.
>Dale McDaniel of Artic Technologies did not agree with Ted Henter
>of Henter-Joyce at last summer's NFB convention. In fact, Artic
>uses MSAA and Dale spoke in favor of using it last summer. One
>mistake was made in placing this item on the NFB Web site, and
>another was made in sending it to lists without
> checking it. Artic has been receiving calls this week about why
>they changed their position on using MSAA. They have not changed
>their position. Let's all be more careful about spreading
>inaccurate information.
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