And how spiritual are the near vegetarians of China
and Japan who did/still do hours of mediation,
develop spirit thorough the martial arts
and more? Maybe more so than your
idealized hunter/gatherers.

There is a history of long lived people in Japan
and their nation was built on rice. Mostly
whole rice and other whole grains. They ate
flesh but not very much. Maybe their systems
evolved to where they could flourish on grain based
diet. Better villi in the intestines to absorb every last
mineral.

The beginning of grain cultivation was the beginning
of large scale societies along with the usual quota
of *grain fed weaklings*

But grain fed does not automatically equate into
a shorter weaker life than the hunter gatherer.
Must use your ability to tell the difference.

Also many hunter gathers were constantly
warring over hunting grounds so that lead to a shorter life
span.
So their H/G diets may have lead to a vigorous life
but it was short.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne VanTassel <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [P-F] a vegetarian paleo??


| At 09:44 AM 8/3/99 -0400, you wrote:
| >You picture yourself as an American Indian.
| >
| >Perhaps you are not totally on base.
|
| I am an American Indian ('shinabe).
|
| What what does that have to do with anything?  The
spiritual connection
| between the hunter and the natural world is shared in all
hunting cultures,
| traditional european culture included.