In a message dated 6/12/99 2:35:38 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:

>Ok, so *direct* control [of the unversity]is a requirement.  Implementing
that
>requirement means losing the support of most of the tax money.

Goodbye taxes, goodbye wages. Abolish them both.

 In
>saying that a public univeristy is a socialist institution, I mean
>that the community owns it. ...

Stop abusing the word socialist and you won't have to explain what you mean
eveerytime you use.

>The banks, as you pointed out, have already
>done so, a process which continues.  Some groups of people in the
>community believe the university not only does not benefit them
>directly or indirectly, they believe it works against their view of
>what society ought to be.

Those groups [the banks] should be in a nice comfortable jail unless they
promise to shape up after the revolution. I'm very forgiving, but enough is
enough. In an open community debate on the issue, i don't the community would
vote to not support education. In fact, polls show it is a major concern here
in NY. People want education.



>I think you are reading too much evil intent into the effect.  I doubt
>that bank managers are calculating how much money they need to lend to
>the university to ensure the right number of manager graduates are
>produced.

I have a higher opinion of their management skills than you do. Read their
documents, and cut through the crap therein. If I can figure it out, they
can. These are ivy league grads with a strong class consciousness. They are
aware of the common interests of the capitalist class. They certainly act
that way. As for schooling, technical training is different from a
traditional degree. In technical trainning your students don't have to take
core studies classes social science and the humanities taught by commie
profs. Look at the difference between the programs at two year community
colleges were the students I mentioned can attend, and the four year colleges
they are being blocked from attending. The difference is very interesting.

>I suppose there are many short-sighted, profit-oriented
>bank managers, who can calculate a better short-term bottom line if
>they cut back university funding.  I expect there is pressure on these
>bank managers from equally short-sighted investors who want higher
>profits.
>

Yup, no doubt about it.

>The requirment for an educated working class is increasing,
>troublesome or not.  Not only do more jobs require increasing techical
>knowledge, but workers must have the ability to retrain quickly.
>Ignorant people simply can't do these things.
>

Technical training is not the same thing as an education that encourages open
inquiry. Look at a two year tech school catalog, and compare it to a four
year college catalog. Look at the course offerings.


>I don't think there is a conspiracy. ...
hairy legged woman in Doc Martens ( what happened to Berkenstocks?)
socialist purists
conspiracy nuts
Are you trying to insult some people on this list?

>They *should* invest in universities,
>but they don't.

They should invite me to a few dinners and I'll explain everything to them
over brandy and cigars.

hmmmmm,

john korber