Sorry, Martin, but  there have been so many posts about this matter that I have
not kept track of who has said what.  I was responding to a post that began
"DDeBar wrote:"  Obviously, I stand by my statement that I  take issue with
Clinton and anybody else who is using the term "genocide"  too freely.  In fact I
consider such frivolous usage to be insulting to the Holocaust victims and
survivors alike.  Nowhere in the post in question did I make any criticism or
other disparaging remark about you or your opinions.  I regret that any offence
was taken.  As you note, I agreed . . . .that the term genocide is being used a
bit too freely.   If DDeBar was using the term too freely then I disagree with
DDeBar.    Dan Koenig

Martin William Smith wrote:

> Dan Koenig writes:
> > I agree with DDeBar that the term genocide is being used a bit too
> > freely.
>
> Your agreement with DDebar is odd since DDebar is the one who used the
> term genocide.  I did not.  I said I suppose they are killing and I
> think they have been killing since before the bombing.  A mass grave
> refers to the practice of burying multiple bodies in one grave, not
> genocide.  DDebar criticised my expression of opinion without facts.
> Fair enough, but mass graves were documented after the Bosnia war, and
> Milosevic and the Serb army were part of that.  They don't appear to
> have found Christ during the interval.
>
> So we have DDebar criticising me for expressing my opinion and
> implying that I accused Milosevic of genocide.  I did not do that.
> Then you come along and support DDebar's false accusation.  It's
> amazing how Chomsky's analysis applies to everyone.  DDebar could be a
> member of the State Department, and you could be a reporter for the NY
> Times.  You've just validated the system.
>
> > It would be a novel form of genocide to allow a people's women,
> > older men, and young boys to flee with their lives.  That was not
> > exactly the approach taken by Hitler.  Neither, for that matter, is
> > it the approach that has been being taken in Africa or, closer to
> > home, against the indigenous Mayans in Guatemala (with longstanding
> > U.S. assistance, training and complicity).  And what about Operation
> > Phoenix is Vietnam, and its full fledged form in Mai Lai (sorry if I
> > just remember the horror and not the correct spelling).  So Kosovo
> > is about genocide is it?  Yeah, just like Desert Fox was about
> > weapons of mass destruction.
> >                                          Dan Koenig
> > DDeBar wrote:
> >
> > > > > (1)Why can't the Serb military create mass graves right now?
> > > >
> > > > They can.  I suppose they are.  I think they have been killing since
> > > > before the bombing started, and I think it will be shown that the
> > > > killing increased when the human rights observers left.
> > >
> > > "I think"? "I suppose"? Etc.?
> > > I THINK that I'd want to be damned sure of the facts before I accused
> > > anyone of genocide. This claim provides "justification" in the minds of
> > > millions for the war crimes (yes, the present bombings and coming invasion
> > > are violations of US and international law) being committed by NATO.
> > >
> > > Don't act (even passively) before you think.
> > >
> > > DDeBar
>
> martin
>
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