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The philosophy, work & influences of Noam Chomsky
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Hi everyone,

	The full text is on the NATO website,
http://www.nato.int/kosovo/press/p990525b.htm 

Regards,

Craig

> NATO HQ
>  Brussels 
> 
>  25 May 1999 
> 
>                           Press Conference
> 
>                   by Mr Jamie Shea, NATO Spokesman
>                 and Major General Walter Jertz, SHAPE
> 
>                                (Presentation ) 
> 
>               Jamie Shea : Ladies and Gentlemen, good afternoon.
>               Welcome to our 3.00 p.m. briefing on Operation Allied
>               Force. 
> 
	  [...]

	  I must say it was a depressing weekend, wasn't it?
>               Pentecost, I think, is the time when the Apostles went out
>               to spread the word of peace, and tolerance and
>               reconciliation after the death and resurrection of Christ.
>               But that certainly wasn't the message that was being spread
>               in Kosovo this past weekend. In fact, I think that on the
>               humanitarian Richter Scale of suffering, we hit a nine over
>               the weekend. We had, first of all, a major upsurge in
>               refugees heading towards the borders, particularly to the
>               South, to the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia,
>               18,000 alone crossed at the weekend with the refugee
>               agencies telling us that another 20,000 - 30,000 are well
>               en route to cross as well. This brings the total of 
refugees
>               in that country now to nearly 240,000 and that is
>               notwithstanding the ongoing efforts to take refugees out on
>               a temporary basis to other countries. Over 60,000 refugees
>               have been evacuated so you can imagine that there would
>               be nearly 300,000 there by now if that temporary
>               evacuation programme had not been done. 
> 
>               And, as we have seen, not only do we have lots of people,
>               but we have lots of people in bad shape as well
>               compounding the problem still further. Most of the
>               refugees coming out are desperate, both psychologically
>               and physically. They say that they no longer can buy food
>               or get medical attention in Kosovo. 
> 
>               The overall security situation has deteriorated to the
>               degree that they are even frightened to leave their homes.
>               And not only, therefore, do we have a difficulty with
>               refugees, but we also as you know also have seen over the
>               weekend the terrible spectre of about 1,000 young men,
>               old men, men apparently of military age, but not showing
>               signs of having done any military service, certainly not in
>               the Kosovo Liberation Army, being released from a prison
>               near Mitrovica. People I've called the living dead and
>               certainly these are the kind of images which we have
>               become used to seeing on our movie screens recollecting
>               former days of European history, but certainly not live on
>               our TV screens, reflecting the reality of the present. The
>               prisoners say they have been packed into small cells with
>               40 to 60 people in each, they have been given crusts of
>               bread or soup made of dirty drinking water, many have
>               been beaten on the hands, kidneys and knees while in
>               prison, others have been forced to fight each other,
>               sometimes fathers have been pitted against sons for the
>               amusement of the Serb guards. Others have tried to commit
>               suicide while in that jail by opening up their veins. 
Nearly
>               all of them crossing the border have been emaciated, again
>               evoking images of past wars, not the ones that we are
>               accustomed to today. 
> 
>               And of course although 1,000 have been able to cross and
>               be cared for, this still does not explain what has happened
>               to the other 220 odd thousand men of military age that we
>               believe have if not disappeared, are at least unaccounted
>               for. It's very good if the Serbs want to demonstrate that
>               these abducted males are still alive, although barely, by
>               allowing 1,000 to leave, but it still begs the question of
>               what is the fate and the precise physical condition of all
>               the others. We have had, at the same time, almost the end
>               now of the UN humanitarian mission under the Under
>               Secretary General of Humanitarian Affairs, Sergio Vieira
>               de Mello, reporting, I quote, that the situation is even
>               worse than we had ever feared in Kosovo today. And then
>               today, to add to the depressing tableau, a report from the
>               United Nations Population Fund on rapes, including gang
>               rapes in three different cities in Kosovo, and reports of
> the
>               physical examination of a number of women showing
>               lacerations and evidence of beatings to the arms and to the
>               legs. 
> 
>               Again, these reports simply reinforce NATO's
>               determination to continue with Operation Allied Force
>               until justice has been done to those poor people. At the
>               same time, today in Albania, AFOR, that is to say the
>               NATO forces there, are beginning with the UNHCR a
>               programme of evacuations to other cities and other places
>               in Albania to get the refugees away from Kukes. 30,000
>               have been identified in this way for immediate evacuation,
>               and AFOR will provide the usual transport and logistic
>               support to help those refugees to be transported to safer
>               areas. 
> 
	[...]

>               Neil: NATO is obviously at pains to accentuate both its
>               successes and the misery of the people within Kosovo. But
>               I am wondering to what extent the two go together. On
>               Sunday you were saying Jamie that it was for the refugees
>               and the displaced people that we began this intervention
>               and it is for their benefit that we will end this 
operation.
>               And then later you used one of your many analogies,
>               saying we started this on 24 March and within a few days
>               we had won the game, at the moment we are taking the first
>               set and in the next couple of days and weeks we are going
>               to conclude the match. If it is the case that, as you said,
> this
>               last weekend, to use yet another analogy, registered a 9 on
>               the humanitarian Richter scale, how can you claim to have
>               even won the first point much less the first game or the
>               first set? 
> 
>               Jamie Shea : I think Neil because we are creating the
>               circumstances which are going to enable us to reverse that,
>               and this will be quite rare, because it is very rare in
>               history that you are able to reverse a geo-political
>               earthquake such as we have seen in the last few years in
>               Kosovo, and that is what we are going to do, not just
>               reverse it but stabilise the region as well. I am confident
>               of success because all of those conditions for the defeat 
of
>               the Belgrade regime are now in place, I suppose we could
>               say that it is not yet the end, it perhaps is not yet the
>               beginning of the end, but it is certainly the end of the
>               beginning, there is no doubt about this, and I think that
> that
>               decisive turning point is being reached. 
> 
>               Why do I say this? I think first of all we really have now
>               got the Yugoslav forces pinned down in Kosovo, their
>               losses are mounting, and I think the signs of that are
>               increasingly obvious, the fact that as General Jertz has
>               said, they are forced now to go and look high and low in
>               villages and towns for reservists, for people who would
>               not normally be called up into the army, even for people
>               well over the age of 50 because they need extra personnel.
>               That is a sign that they are taking I think a lot of damage
> in
>               that campaign. Secondly, we have got the economic noose
>               around Belgrade now, we have also got the neighbouring
>               countries firmly tied in with us to isolate still further
>               Belgrade. We have managed to stabilise the refugee
>               situation, despite the incredible numbers there has been no
>               political collapse either in the Former Yugoslav Republic
>               of Macedonia, nor in Albania, quite the reverse with that
>               situation, despite the enormous numbers becomes more
>               and more stable as the international effort is created. 
> 
>               So I think Milosevic knows by now that this is not one in
>               which we are simply going to allow him to present with a
>               series of fait accomplis. Even if it takes a little bit 
more
>               time, then again as we have seen in previous occasions we
>               have reached the stage where the end now is not in doubt,
>               it is simply a question of how long it is going to take. We
>               have never claimed, Bill, that we would be able to stop
>               every human rights breach, every refugee being thrown
>               across the border, that is not something that we could have
>               done given the fact that (a) Milosevic wanted to do this
>               and was determined enough to use any method; secondly,
>               he has always been the person with the tanks in the
>               villages, with the soldiers in the streets, he has been the
>               one on the ground. We have had to bring force to the
>               region, build it up and make it count. 
> 
>               But what we can do, and that is no secondary achievement,
>               believe me, is to reverse that, not to allow it to stand,
> and
>               there aren't many other examples in human history - try to
>               find me some - of where any group of democracies has
>               been able to reverse a humanitarian tragedy rather than
>               simply learn to manage its consequences. 
> 
>                [...]
> 
>         
>               Pierre: On a pu voir hier dans plusieurs reportages
>               télévisés des médecins et ....... yougoslaves confrontés à
>               des énormes difficultés liées à leurs générateurs dans 
leurs
>               hopitaux et qui donc finalement accusent l'Alliance de
>               prendre en hôtage la population civile, donc de prendre en
>               hôtage des innocents par le fait même de bombarder des
>               centrales électriques, des transformateurs ou alors des
>               canalisations d'eau potable. 
> 
>               Jamie Shea : Pierre, excuse me if I reply to this in 
English
>               but this is an important point and therefore I would like 
to
>               get my message across universally here to everybody in
>               this room. 
> 
>               Let us not lose sight of proportions in this debate.
>               President Milosevic has got plenty of back-up generators.
>               His armed forces have hundreds of them. He can either use
>               these back-up generators to supply his hospitals, his
>               schools, or he can use them to supply his military. His
>               choice. If he has a big headache over this, then that is
>               exactly what we want him to have and I am not going to
>               make any apology for that. 
> 
>               Secondly, I don't know if anybody realises this. It's not
>               often remembered but over 50% of the refugees in Albania
>               and the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia are under
>               18 years of age. Children, or at least adolescents. 40% are
>               under 14 years of age. 20,000 are under one year old and
>               at least 100,000 babies have been born since this crisis in
>               March in those refugee camps, without incubators, without
>               electricity, without medical support, without water,
>               without a roof over their heads, with absolutely nothing.
>               And therefore they are still considerably less fortunate
>               than those babies in Belgrade. NATO doesn't wish any
>               harm to any baby but let's make it clear here, the
> suffering,
>               the real suffering, not the TV images, but the real
> suffering
>               is in this business overwhelmingly on the side of the
>               Kosovar Albanians who don't have the choice,
>               unfortunately, between an incubator with electricity
>               supplied by President Milosevic or an incubator without
>               electricity. They simply have no incubator because they
>               have been forced out of their homes and into fields. 
> 
>               I also could tell you that there are 60,000 children under
>               the age of six in the camps in Albania alone being cared
>               for at the moment by the International Relief 
organisations.
>               This is not a few babies, no matter how precious, this is 
an
>               entire lost generation. We are dealing with the Pied Piper
>               of Hamlin here. In other words the government which has
>               literally taken away from their homes a whole community
>               of children, enormous numbers depriving them of their
>               health, causing great psychological harm, you have seen
>               this in terms of the pictures that they have painted which
>               have been exposed at Segrabe, depriving them of their
>               schooling, depriving them of their families in terms of
>               separation and I think that this again is what we should
>               focus on. Otherwise I just acknowledge that perhaps we
>               have lost all sense of proportion in this matter. 
> 
>      	[...]

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