Ray (in response to Gregg's comments:
>Dr. Voegtlins book "The Stone Age Diet" reccommends no vegetables or
>fruits at all!  He points out that even in tropical climes,
>fresh vegetables are unavailable to primates for much of the year(see
>also current issue of National Geographic for article on orangutans).

Orangutans, at least in Sumatra and Borneo, eat an incredible volume of
both champedak and durian. These are indeed stunning fruits. The durian is
eaten by tigers! There is something special about both durians and
champedaks. Having eaten a couple thousand combined (while living in
Thailand for four years) I can (as a sample of one) attest that they are
indeed absolutely NOTHING like any of the produce available to the average
Neanderthinners, home garden or not.

>Some species of Primates (Tarsiers) never eat them at all!

And they thrive on a very significant % of insects, which have an entirely
different macronutrient (and probably micronutrient, though I have never
seen an analysis of this) composition than the favored cuts of Westerners
purchased in butcher shops and supermarkets.

>Stefansson
>(who discovered that pemmican cures scurvy) ate almost no fruits or
>vegetables from 1906 until 1963.

Raw potatoes also cure scurvy. What does this prove I wonder? Perhaps we
should be eating potatoes, eh?

>He did extensive research on the Inuit
>(Eskimos) who also never ate vegetable material as well as the people of
>Iceland who for 400 years (cir 1000-1400 AD) had no access to vegetables.

Which supports one of Gregg's points--that adaptation had probably occurred.

>Certain African tribes (Tutsi) also never eat vegetables and have the
>lowest average cholesterol readings of any known population.

You're streatching it, Ray. How about reporting some of the other health
statistics of the Tutsi? I thought not.

I don't mean to sound combative but, generalizing your (or Steffanson's or
the Tutsi's) relative thriving on an extremely high meat diet to the whole
of humanity approaches arrogance--especially from someone who claims to
have fresh OJ daily.

The folks on this list who have tried your diet, with varying degrees of
success, and still have problems deserve more than cherry-picked replies to
their comments. By my count you responded to a single digit % of Gregg's
concerns. This is simply not fair.

If everything was black and white why would we see colors (like other
primates who have the adaptation to locating the colorful fruits in the
canopy)? You probably don't need a lecture on chaos theory but after
thousands of years of agriculture (and who knows how many thousands more of
horticulture) humans are most definately in a chaotic stage of genetic
nutritional adaptation.

And for the record, I have not consumed a grain product for nearly a
decade, have eaten meat/marrow only for weeks at a time (I experience joint
pain after seven weeks of meat only, bone marrow or not)> I am type O, if
anybody is counting, and am firmly in the "paleolithic camp". But IMO the
ideas of paleolithic nutrition need a full hearing, not a cherry-picked
bunch of Eskimo talk and "anthropology as method".

Cheers,
Kirt


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