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Gina Weal <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Then it was back on the diet until symptoms cleared up to do the
>dairy challenge which had a distinct worsening of symptoms
>(asthma/sinus/patchy skin on hands).

Typical dairy problems.

> I decided to stay on the diet and do my
>own challenge of soy milk which gave me similar symptoms to cows milk.

Soy intolerances are common in people that are also intolerant to gluten and
casein.

>Main symptoms being
>bad wheeze after chinese(MSG?),

The NOMSG group lists asthma and shortness of breath as common MSG symptoms.

> migraine after sweet and sour sauce.

Don't know, but migraines are listed as an MSG symptom.

> Tried
>Pizza, had dreadful stomach cramps followed by putrid diorrhea, same
>response 2 days later to a meat pie and sandwhich, same response a week
>later to another trial of a pie as I couldn't believe it, same reaction.

Ah, you mean steatorrhea! Steatorrhea is the passage of fatty stools that
are pale, bulky, frothy, greasy, malodorous and they always float. They may
be liquid or semi-formed. They have many possible causes, but gluten
intolerance is at the top of the list.

> I
>have had reactions like these in the past but always put it down to a virus,
>or medication. If it is wheat, than why didn't happen all the time over the
>years.

Often when someone intolerant to gluten goes gluten-free they become more
sensitive to gluten. This is because the gut is starting to heal and becomes
more sensitive.

> Can such a sensitive stomach happen so late after childhood(I'm 28)??

Yes. Actually during the teen years gluten problems are most likely to be
asymptomatic, though mucosal damage will always be present. Ask you mother
if you were a "colicky baby" when young.

Also gluten problems can often first appear later in life, especially if
there is a trigger. Some triggers could be:

  *  A sudden change to a low fat diet, which usually means a sudden
     increase in starches, which usually means a dramatic increase in
     wheat-based products.

  *  A woman is susceptible during postpartum, when the immune system
     is adjusting to the changes after delivery.

  *  Surgery, particularly GI (gall bladder, etc.) can be a trigger.

  *  Certain viral infections.  Also, there is some suspicion that
     certain antibiotics can be triggers, though in these cases it
     could also be the infection that the antibiotics are fighting.

>Are these common reactions?? Will I be able to tolerate wheat/milk again??(

I can't speak about milk, but if someone is celiac, meaning full blown
gluten intolerance, then the intolerance is permanent. No one has even
overcome it. If only "sensitive" to gluten, then it isn't a recognized
medical disorder, so no one has studied it. To me a sensitive person is on
their way to full blown intolerance if they keep eating lots of gluten.

By sensitive I mean someone gets reactions to gluten, but they can't measure
any damage to the intestinal mucosa. That is the definition of celiac
disease. A sensitive person will have raised antibodies to gliadin (the
toxic fraction in gluten), but the medical profession does not consider
elevated antibodies to be a medical problem.

>missing milk doesn't worry me except for cheese and chocolate which I will
>miss, but bread is a lot more convenient than crackers for sandwhiches) Or
>could it be another component in these foods that upset me and not the wheat?

There is dark chocolate that is dairy-free. There are commercial gluten-free
breads available, but the gluten-free list has many, many recipes. Also
there are gluten-free cookbooks with bread recipes. Homemade ones are better
than the commercial ones.

>What do you think??

See above. As people have noted on this list, part of the casein protein is
very similar to part of the gluten one. This is why autists generally have
to remove both from their diet to control autism.

Don.

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