"Vladimir Putin is himself a fascist autocrat, one who imprisons democratic opposition leaders and critics. He is the acknowledged leader of the global far right, which looks increasingly like a global fascist movement.”
"The paper's readership is generally on the mainstream left of British political opinion, and the term "Guardian reader" is used to imply a stereotype of liberal, left-wing or "politically correct" views.
The Guardian - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › The_Guardian”
So, look. You who tell me I should read other sources, ok. Try it yourself. Try reading something that is not on the left. I reject that Putin is the “acknowledged leader” of the global far right. Not that I regard myself to be “far right,” but I don’t see him championing anything but personal power and using whatever he can to achieve that.
And NO NO NO. I don’t want to talk about left or right. I’m sick of all that. So, label people, put them into political and religions categories if you want and then pretend you’ve “dealt” with them. As I’ve said. I’m sick of it.
Phil
> On Feb 26, 2022, at 5:33 PM, Dan Bloom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/25/vladimir-putin-ukraine-attack-antisemitism-denazify
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> On Feb 26, 2022, 6:38 PM -0500, Dan Bloom <[log in to unmask]>, wrote:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Dugin
>>
>> Some say Alexsandr Dugin’s philosophy provides a ideological basis for Putin’s dream of a pan-slavic empire under Russian rule. This would also become a Euro-Asian alliance.
>>
>> We already know that Putin understands the Russian Orthodox Church as the center of the Eastern Orthodox faith. So Russia has a spiritual destiny to unite the orthodox people. To some, Eastern Orthodox values are not Western values, which are represented by NATO’s Enlightenment values.
>>
>> This is the basis for his claim to be saving the Russian/slavic people from the corruption of the West.
>>
>> Is this a new idea? Hell no. Religious wars have marked European history for century. We could even say Hitler’s mission was religious in its own way.
>>
>> Dan
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>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 26, 2022, 6:04 PM -0500, Peter Philippson <[log in to unmask]>, wrote:
>>> Dear Sheila,
>>>
>>> I don't think you or Phil are dumb. But I think that there is something in your sources of information that make you look really dumb, though many will be saying that they are the ones to read or watch.
>>>
>>> In this case, you are presumably not informed that Putin is saying he is the man saving Christian Russia from heathen Europe, with gay marriage, atheism etc. The 'foolish' in the Bible are not the ones who look dumb because they have been told lies, they are the ones who do not just follow the powerful religious ideas of the time, and are seen as foolish, despised and weak (interestingly the terms that are most used by the American religious establishment to criticise Biden!). Jesus, Paul etc. were pretty articulate from all accounts! Some of Paul reads like poetry!
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> Virus-free. www.avg.com
>>>
>>> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 at 18:20, Sheila M Boland <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> Sooooo I guess it’s not conservative. I am not really sure though. I don’t know if Russia is like China where one is arrested for being openly Christian. But not all conservative’s are Christian. This thought just came to mind of how “stupid” I must sound to those here who are mostly really, really smart. Then I reminded myself there is a verse in the Bible about 1 Corinthian 1:27 where the foolish, despised and weak will shame the wise. So I shouldn’t feel bad for not forming words properly or knowing important facts about the world. But that is all my stuff for nobody wrote that yet to me that I sound uninformed though when I read posts here I automatically think that about myself.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone…. : )
>>>
>>>> On Feb 26, 2022, at 9:58 AM, Peter Philippson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I watch Al Jazeera a lot, they are very open.
>>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>> Virus-free. www.avg.com
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 at 12:57, Sheila M Boland <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>> I did right after you listed them. One of them listed Charles Koch and I checked him out but couldn’t find out if he was conservative or not. But his last name reminded me of the globalists Koch brothers and perhaps I got the last name wrong because my memory isn’t that great. I already heard of aljazeera and have watched news on that platform before.
>>>>
>>>> So, if you had watched those news programs you would already know if they were conservative or not and a simple yes or no could have been enough.
>>>>
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>>>> From: An ICORS List <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Robb Feldhaus <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2022 6:50:41 AM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Subject: Re: War
>>>>
>>>> Would you be willing to scan them and decide for yourself?
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 6:25 PM Sheila M Boland <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>> Robb,
>>>>
>>>> Are the sites you listed conservative?
>>>>
>>>> Get Outlook for iOS
>>>> From: An ICORS List <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Robb Feldhaus <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 2:40:14 PM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Subject: Re: War
>>>>
>>>> tass.com
>>>>
>>>> ndtv.com
>>>>
>>>> aljazeera.com
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 3:19 PM Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>> Peter,
>>>> You wrote:
>>>> "I am fairly sure that part of Phil engaging with this is another stick to beat Biden with, rather than a real interest in Ukraine and its people and nationhood. Portraying Russia as a bear again is an anti-Christian (in any meaningful sense) attempt at dehumanisation… “ Aside from the almost humorous assertion that you are fairly sure of anything about me and my thinking, I AM curious what you meant by the reference to the bear being anti-Christian… You mean simply the dehumanizing? Like it’s anti-Christian to be refer to human beings as an animal? Would it have been any the less dehumanizing to refer to Russia as a Czarist coat of arms? The people are neither, of course, but the Russian army, under the direction of a warring dictator, fully resembles the brutality that many associate with the bear. And that was my point. Block THAT bear. Why I even have to explain this is mind boggling.
>>>>
>>>> Phil
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 25, 2022, at 1:01 PM, Sheila M Boland <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>
>>>>> I like you but I am getting an uncomfortable feeling you are using me as a pawn to take a dig at Phil! I also think you are equally as intelligent and if you read me correctly, I used to lean towards yours and others view of politics. But recently I am finding myself leaning more towards Phil and my friend's side of politics and the meaning of world disasters and possibly the truth in the book of revelations beginning to take place in the here and now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Get Outlook for iOS
>>>>> From: An ICORS List <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Peter Philippson <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 1:52:10 PM
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Subject: Re: War
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Sheila,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I am getting that you are seeing the craziness behind 'Christian/conservative' media, that are propaganda quite similar to Putin's (who also sees himself as a defender of Christian values against the fascist Ukrainians - who elected a Jew as President with 70% of a free vote).
>>>>>
>>>>> I am fairly sure that part of Phil engaging with this is another stick to beat Biden with, rather than a real interest in Ukraine and its people and nationhood. Portraying Russia as a bear again is an anti-Christian (in any meaningful sense) attempt at dehumanisation, losing the fact that many people in Ukraine have relatives in Russia, many in Russia are appalled by what is happening, but that a macho American response can be used to silence dissent.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure Phil is intelligent, but I have not recently seen him using his intelligence, but repeating things from the same media you are coming to question!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>> Virus-free. www.avg.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 at 18:24, Sheila M Boland <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>> Phil,
>>>>>
>>>>> My friend told me that Putin is invading Ukraine to get back at the USA because we have low morals. I grossly, grossly paraphrased what my friend told me and I didn’t Google it. My friend is a Christian and I think he read this info from one of the conservative online sites. Have you heard this or something similar?
>>>>>
>>>>> Get Outlook for iOS
>>>>> From: An ICORS List <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 12:17:13 PM
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Subject: Re: War
>>>>>
>>>>> People. If you feel it, let’s do what we can. I don’t like feeling helpless, and I don’t want to BE helpless.
>>>>>
>>>>> <Block the Bear.png>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 25, 2022, at 10:21 AM, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The gestalt world transcends the boundaries of Ukraine and Russia. We have colleagues in both places, and these are people we admire and people for whom we have compassion. We care about them. I really LIKE them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don’t like what Putin is doing. I look at pictures of him, as when he was meeting with his supposed cabinet or when he was giving us all a revision of history, and his expression seems like that of a dissociating person. A dead soul. What that dead soul can do, will do, next is not unpredictable. People are saying that we should listen more closely and take him seriously, because he has said what his purposes are. This is similar to 1938. People cannot let this stand, because it won’t stop with Ukraine. And even if it were to stop with Ukraine, how could we live with that? If the powers had not insisted that Ukraine give up its nuclear weapons, had they not guaranteed the security of that sovereign nation, I doubt that Russia would be invading it right now. We OWE them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We owe them now. There is a history to how everyone came to this point, but that was then and this is now. It is false security to look at Ukraine and say they are not in NATO. People should realize that everyone is IN this fight one way or another. There are sides. And this is a struggle to win on several levels. I would like to see the west provide the Ukrainians with every weapon they need in their military resistance to being invaded. They are putting up a good fight. They need support. I would further like to see the west completely cut off commerce with Russia. Block all sales of energy. Remove them from international banking and commerce systems. The people inside Russia, who are being dragged into this, need to continue to rise up. The people in Georgia, where Russia invaded previously, need to rise up. The people in the western nations, the NATO populations, need to see this as a war they are already in and to adopt a wartime mentality. Let us drive our leaders to become more aggressive in resisting and blocking “the new world order.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is my perspective. I imagine other people might have a different perspective.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phil
>>>>>
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>>>>> Peter (Philippson)
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>>>>> ______________ Gstalt-L is an independent eCommunity of people interested in gestalt therapy theory and its various applications. Its public archives can be found at http://listserv.icors.org/scripts/wa-ICORS.exe?A0=GSTALT-L, and subscriptions can be managed by clicking on "Subscriber's Corner," which is found at the archives.
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>>>> ______________ Gstalt-L is an independent eCommunity of people interested in gestalt therapy theory and its various applications. Its public archives can be found at http://listserv.icors.org/scripts/wa-ICORS.exe?A0=GSTALT-L, and subscriptions can be managed by clicking on "Subscriber's Corner," which is found at the archives.
>>>> ______________ Gstalt-L is an independent eCommunity of people interested in gestalt therapy theory and its various applications. Its public archives can be found at http://listserv.icors.org/scripts/wa-ICORS.exe?A0=GSTALT-L, and subscriptions can be managed by clicking on "Subscriber's Corner," which is found at the archives.
>>>> ______________ Gstalt-L is an independent eCommunity of people interested in gestalt therapy theory and its various applications. Its public archives can be found at http://listserv.icors.org/scripts/wa-ICORS.exe?A0=GSTALT-L, and subscriptions can be managed by clicking on "Subscriber's Corner," which is found at the archives.
>>>> ______________ Gstalt-L is an independent eCommunity of people interested in gestalt therapy theory and its various applications. Its public archives can be found at http://listserv.icors.org/scripts/wa-ICORS.exe?A0=GSTALT-L, and subscriptions can be managed by clicking on "Subscriber's Corner," which is found at the archives.
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>>> ______________ Gstalt-L is an independent eCommunity of people interested in gestalt therapy theory and its various applications. Its public archives can be found at http://listserv.icors.org/scripts/wa-ICORS.exe?A0=GSTALT-L, and subscriptions can be managed by clicking on "Subscriber's Corner," which is found at the archives.
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