I've seen a lag with audio on some bluetooth speakers/headphones but not 
others. I'm sure it's a combination of devices and protocols but I 
haven't found a correlation. Some devices are also more aggressive at 
saving power, so the speakers/headphones will shut off when it doesn't 
detect any streaming audio. this causes you to miss the first syllable 
when starting to hear something with your screen reader. Note, I've 
never seen any delays with keyboards themselves, and I suspect there is 
no such delay.



On 2/8/20 12:16 PM, Dan TeVelde wrote:
> Hi Harry,
>
> Interesting that you are experiencing this lag with Bluetooth.  I haven't had that recently.  Bluetooth standards do change from time to time so I suspect that the latest standard offers faster communication.  There may be other reasons why you experience a lag.  Your screenreader and computer may not be working as quickly as you would like.  Right now I'm using a Braille display connected by Bluetooth to my computer and am not having any issues.
>
> I'm not sure what your concern is about entering an Appleid.  I only have to do this if I am installing a new app or if I am using an app which requires a login.  I do that for my bank accounts which is probably a good idea.  You can use touch id to store your fingerprint or on the newest phones face id so you don't have to always enter your Appleid.  Yes it's true that with Android you log into Google once when you set up your device or your Google account on a computer or phone.  I'm not sure what security is required for financial applications in the Android environment.  I use Android for work and don't have any personal apps on the phone.  The Google experience synchronizing e-mail and Chrome across devices is nice.  I can check Gmail on any device where I am logged into Google.  These are just more things to think about when you make your decision.
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Visually Impaired Computer Users' Group List <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Harry Brown
> Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 12:03 PM
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> Subject: Re: [VICUG-L] bluetooth lag with screen readers
>
> Hi Dan and all,
>
> I'm going to respond to Dan's fantastic questions, but sending it to the list, instead of to him, because maybe others of you want the answers to my questions:
>
> 1. The problem with bluetooth and screen readers is, there is a lag, after you press a key on a bluetooth keyboard. It can be about an 8th of a second, or, even longer, like 1 second, after you press a key on the keyboard and when the screen reader speaks.
>
> This lag problem has been going on with bluetooth and screen readers since bluetooth came out.
>
> For me, and what I do, every second counts, so I can't waste time, waiting for screen readers to respond
>
> People have emailed me privately, and told me their bluetooth experience differs from keyboard, with some keyboards having no lag, and, with other keyboards experiencing lag.
>
> 2. The reason I would go for Android, and not IOS is, I don't have time to give my apple id and password all the time, before I do something.
> With Android you don't have to do that, all the time.
>
> I have a friend, who is a Mac, and I device user, has been for years, and the other day, he even complained to me about always having to give his Apple ID and password all the time, and he never has until now.
>
> Unfortunately, there is no Android smart phone with actual keys on it.
>
> Harry
>
> On 2/8/2020 12:45 PM, Dan TeVelde wrote:
>> Hi Harry,
>>
>> I have a couple of questions.  I'm not sure what you mean about problems with Bluetooth and screenreaders.  I use several Bluetooth headphones and one keyboard with iOS and Android.  I also use two Braille displays and don't have any issues with Windows or iOS.  Could you explain what you mean by problems?  There are standard keyboards for iOS and Android which are considerably cheaper than the Rivo keyboard.  I just bought a Bluetooth keyboard a few months ago for about $30 and really like it.  It is really portable and doesn't weigh very much.  The keys are easy to identify.
>>
>> My second question is there a particular reason you want an Android device?  If you are thinking of the Blind Shell then that might be a good reason.  If you are thinking of a plain android device then you will need to think about the following.  There are many Android phones which are cheaper than iOS devices.  I don't know how many of them come with keyboards.  You can use the TalkBack screenreader but depending on the phone you get you might have to install it which may require sighted assistance.  Some phones come with TalkBack enabled.  The TalkBack experience may vary from phone to phone.  The most consistent screenreader experience may be with Google phones like the Pixel line.  Google just introduced some cheaper Pixel phones so that might be an option.  I have also found at least where I live in Chicago I don't know anyone who uses an Android device.  I prefer iOS but that's my personal opinion.  You can give android devices a try.  There are many experienced Android users on this list and I would be happy to answer questions if you have them.  If you go with the Blind Shell I would be curious to know how it works for you.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Visually Impaired Computer Users' Group List
>> <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Harry Brown
>> Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 9:45 PM
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>> Subject: [VICUG-L] bluetooth lag with screen readers
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm considering buying the Rivo2 keyboard. I love what this keyboard will do for me, with Android phones, which is what I'm thinking about getting.
>>
>> However, I found out when looking at it, that it's a bluetooth keyboard.
>> I thought it was A USB keyboard.
>>
>> Now of course there has been a lag with screen readers and bluetooth.
>>
>> I've not used this keyboard however. This keyboard is $300, so I really want to make sure that's no longer a problem, before spending $300 on a keyboard. So, if someone is up to date on bluetooth and lag with screen readers, I'd love to hear from you. Is it still a problem? If it is, I won't buy it.
>>
>> Harry
>>
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