Is this true? What are you not able to do with Narrator? It's been a 
while, but I'm pretty sure I bought a Windows 8 system, and I was able 
to set it up, configure it and download NVDA all without sighted help. 
I've heard Windows 10 has even gotten better, so I'm curious what you 
can't do with Narrator.

BTW, I don't think Microsoft should get too many demerits just because 
their screen reader doesn't work with a 3rd party email client. Is there 
a Microsoft email client that will work with Narrator? I'm sure that's 
the focus of Microsoft and Narrator development.

I'm pretty sure there are applications on the Mac that don't work with 
VoiceOver but that doesn't mean Apple is immoral.

On 21/04/17 14:43, Harry Brown wrote:
> Hi Pratik,
>
> I hear you, so, here's the problem.
>
> Right now, a blind person cannot go to a store, and buy a windows
> computer, and bring it home, and it works out of the box, and reads
> everything.
>
> This is absolutely, immoral.
>
> Now NVDA is fabulus! It's too bad that NVDA has to be downloaded by the
> user.
>
> I guess what we'll have to tell blind people is, "don't buy a windows
> pc. Instead, buy a Mac, because with it, at least, you have a fully
> functioning screen reader.
>
> There's nothing else to say! If there is another solution, I have no
> idea what it is. If Microsoft really doesn't care, then, we're back to
> square 1, right where we started, with nothing for windows, from out of
> the box.
>
> I have the same attitude about this, that our friend David Goldfield had
> about accessible antivirus.
>
> I will say it again. Blind people should not have to pay, for a fully
> functional screen reader, on a computer, when you go to the store and
> buy the computer.
>
> The problem with the mac is, all of it's password crap. I had tried a
> Mac, 2 years ago, with OS10 Mavrix. Every time I put a program in, I had
> to enter a password, so, I said, forget it.
>
> I *love* windows, I just love it, but there is no way, that I can tell a
> blind person, who has never had training, "Just go and buy a windows
> computer, you can use it right out of the box." Because they cannot.
>
> I absolutely  *love* the San Francisco lighthouses attitude on this, and
> it's mine, right along with them, and, I will be talking with them,
> probably today, and seeing how we can change this immorality. They also
> say, "we believe a blind person should not have to pay for a fully
> functional screen reader for windows, nor should they have to download
> and install it."
>
> It's amazing, folks, this is 2017, and we still, have not, solved this
> problem, I'm just blown away by that.
>
> Harry
>
>
> On 4/21/2017 1:44 PM, Pratik Patel wrote:
>> Without Microsoft support, you will not be able to use Thunderbird
>> with narrator. You're better off using something like NVDA if you're
>> looking for a free screen reader solution. Narrator development is
>> entirely up to Microsoft. Their main focus is to ensure that Microsoft
>> products are fully accessible. At this time, they have no incentive to
>> make Narrator work with third-party products.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Harry Brown
>> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 1:25 PM
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>> Subject: [VICUG-L] how to read a message in thunderbird with Narator?
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I would love to use Narator to read my emails, using thunderbird 52. It
>> reads the list of messages, but when press enter to open a message,
>> Narrator will not read the message? Anyone else have this problem, and,
>> if you did, did you solve it? Microsoft is not eager to solve this
>> problem, because they told me, "Thunderbird is not a Microsoft product,
>> we would like you to use Windows live  makl."
>>
>> Harry
>>
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