We all have different experiences. I've been using Android for personal
and work since the platform was considered marginally accessible, and my
jobs involve lots of smart phone use. The latest screen reader survey
suggests that I'm not alone. The percentage of people using TalkBack was
something like 25-30%.
You mention that programs geared for blind users don't teach Android. I
agree, and I suspect that this is one of the reasons why the platform
hasn't caught on more. Apple is what trainers know and what they tell
themselves is more accessible. The situation is the same for Windows
screen readers. Jaws is taught because trainers know it and because they
tell themselves it's more accessible. NVDA, which is free, is a solid
screen reader. Even when it was less polished than it is now, it was
good enough for lots of non-work things, so it would have been fine for
people new to blindness, but agencies didn't start teaching it until
very, very recently.
I'm not sure if this pattern in the community is due to the sort of
conservativism that develops from risks gone bad or from misguided PR.
On 2/14/2018 6:44 AM, Dan Tevelde wrote:
> I am required to use an Android phone for my job as an accessibility tester. I don't use it personally. I thought about subscribing to an Android phone list, but the last phone list I subscribed to had way too much traffic. I also find a lot of Android users I have contacted indifferent to Braille access. Braille access in iOS is bad enough, but Android access is worse. The fact that Google can't even be bothered to support Braille is pathetic. Braille is still very relevant especially given the fact that there are deaf blind phone users, and that cheaper braille displays are on the horizon.
>
> If Android is so popular, why aren't there any users near where I live in the Chicago area? None of our local agencies for the blind teach it as part of their assistive technology training. I would not consider Android for personal use unless someone acctually gave me a demo of the available assistive technology in a real world situation. I know of at least one former Android user who returned to using iOS. If Android is ever going to be a viable solution for many people, then there need to be individuals to do training and provide personal assistance?
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>> On Feb 13, 2018, at 9:02 PM, Christopher Chaltain <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> I'm not sure why you have to use Android. If the iPhone meets all of your needs then by all means use it.
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>> I wouldn't say there isn't a broad enough user base to take Android accessibility seriously. Android is the most popular operating system on smart phones by like four to one. There's also a rather large and active mailing list for blind Android users, which seems to demonstrate that there are a large number of blind Android users around the world.
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>> I don't have a Pixel phone myself, but I would think Google would provide support for their own phone, and from looking around on the web, it does appear that they do provide support for the Pixel. I'm not sure I'd expect them to support another company's phone though.
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>> There are Android fan boys, just as their fan boys for other products, like the iPhone. On the Android lists I'm on, blind users seem to be pretty aware of Android's short comings.
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>> I had an iPhone for personal use for almost five years, and I still have an iPhone provided to me by my employer. I switched to an Android phone for my personal use almost two years ago now. I think each platform has their strengths and weaknesses, and you should definitely use what works for you. I'm just glad that we have choices.
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>>> On 02/13/2018 07:37 AM, Dan Tevelde wrote:
>>> Actually, the first thing i tried to do was to enable Universal Copy as a service in the accessibility settings. I couldn't find it listed as an item to be enabled.
>>>
>>> I wish I didn't have to use Android. I don't see that it offers any features not already available in iOS. For one thing, Braille support is nonexistent. What Braille support is available uses a non-standard command set. There is also the fact that Google can't even offer phone support. There are these people who fanatically support Android as though it were some kind of religion. I don't think there is a broad enough user base to consider Android accessibility seriously.
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>>> Dan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Feb 12, 2018, at 10:11 PM, Ana G <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>>>> Christopher is correct. Universal Copy uses the accessibility API to do what it does, so you need to go into Settings > Accessibility to turn it on, exactly as you would turn on TalkBack or BrailleBack. In other words, you would go into Settings > Accessibility > Universal Copy, then tap the on/off switch near the top right corner. The Settings icon is near that switch.
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>>>>> On 2/12/2018 5:49 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>>>>> I haven't used this app, but just guessing, have you gone into Settings -> Accessibility and scrolled down to your accessibility services to see if you need to enable Universal Copy?
>>>>>
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>>>>>> On 02/12/2018 04:07 PM, Dan Tevelde wrote:
>>>>>> I need to copy text to the clipboard on a Samsung phone. I installed this app, but can't enable it. When I open it, there is a message stating that accessibility must be enabled. Since I am already using TalkBack, accessibility is enabled. I checked the settings for Universal Copy, and can't enable the app there either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope someone can help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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