Terry, how are you doing. I do agree with you, wwe have to adopt to change.
If we don't then we bwill be behind the times with advancements in
technology.
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Terri Hedgpeth
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 2:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [VICUG-L] JAWS and Microsoft Edge
I for one prefer to have full access to MS Edge. IE already does not work
very well with cloud apps and cloud software. I will be pushing for full
accessibility of Edge because it is where things are moving toward. Does
anyone on here recall how loudly many screamed when Windows 3.11 came out to
replace MS DOS? It was a struggle until Windows 95 came out. Remember,
change is inevitable!
Best,
Terri
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Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 2:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [VICUG-L] JAWS and Microsoft Edge
David:
Just a short response.
It was not only screen reader users who urged Microsoft to support Windows
XP longer than it had planned; there were also a lot of sighted people who
put the pressure on Microsoft. It is my hope that "all", of those who
prefer Internet Explorer 11, would want IE 11 support to continue beyond
2020, and would pressure Microsoft to do just that
For myself, I intend to start by contacting the Microsoft Disability Desk.
I would ask other listers, who are concerned about this, to do the same.
Cheers, and have a great day.
Jim H
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 10:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [VICUG-L] JAWS and Microsoft Edge
Blindness, meaning visual acuity of 20/200 in the better eye, after
correction, or a field of view of no more than 15 degrees (or is it 10
degrees), occurs in less than 0.5% of the world population. Of this group,
less than 0.1% will actually require or use a screen reader like JAWS.
Many people in general, and even more blind people in particular, are
extremely resistant to change. Change makes us feel very uncomfortable,
insecure, stupid, and out-of-control, while we are going through the change
process. Given that blindness causes us to feel like our world is
out-of-control anyways, this is not surprising. However, we do not have the
numbers of people required to make any meaningful indentation in general
market. The world changes, often in ways we do not like. It is our
responsibility to adapt to those changes, no matter how we feel about doing
so. It is our responsibility to continually and repeatedly subject ourselves
to the stupids because we are such an insignificant group. And, as a general
rule, we do not have the funds available to regularly access specialised
Assistive Technologies. Therefore, it is put upon us to take full advantage
of solutions provided by general market manufacturers as those solutions are
less expensive, and more people will learn about them (small programmers can
easily and freely run Windows narrator, for example, to start adding in
accessibility. To run JAWS, on the other hand, is quite problematic.
Finally, worse for blind people than the current discussion, the world is
headed rapidly toward touch-screens and touch-sensors. Buttons continue
vanishing. It is now less expensive to use touch-screens and sensors rather
than buttons. So, we need to adjust even more, no matter how we feel about
it, to a less and less tactually friendly world. And, air gestures are
coming. Then, there will be no tactual interface whatsoever.
Kind regards,
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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> On 4/01/2017, at 06:51, Keith Bundy <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> I admit two things at the beginning of this post. First, I have done
limited research on Microsoft Narrator, though I believe I have given it a
fair look. Second, some of what I am about to say may be related to my age -
I just passed a milestone birthday.
>
> I am concerned about Microsoft working hard to make Narrator competitive.
I think competition is a great idea and will benefit all of us in the
future. And a built-in screen reader is a fantastic idea!
>
> However, the operation of Narrator seems to be vastly different from
> the
operation of other Windows screen readers out on the market. While this is
fine for individuals just learning how to work with a screen reader, I get
concerned for those of us who have been using such technology for ten
fifteen, twenty or more years.
>
> First, how many programs will we be excluded from if we don't
> transition
to Narrator? For example, I hear that Narrator works fine with Edge right
now, but a user of JAWS or NVDA will have difficulty. Is this the trend of
the future? Will we be excluded if we don't learn Microsoft's proprietary
screen reader?
>
> Second, is Microsoft working on any type of training or documentation
> that
will assist those of us who have certain ways of using the computer
integrated into our brains in learning the smooth operation of Narrator? Now
before anyone calls me a Luddite, please know that I have continually
accepted new technologies for the last twenty years and don't plan to stop
doing so - yes, I will learn Narrator. . But not all screen reader users
wish to learn new methods of operating a computer and navigating the screen.
Will these folks just be left behind like yesterday's dust?
>
> I welcome any and all discussion on this topic. If my concerns are
invalid, please let me know. But I think what I am saying expresses the
concerns of many users of screen readers.
>
> Thanks for reading this and for the opportunity of expressing concerns
like this. Have a great day!
>
>
> Keith Bundy
> Digital Accessibility Consultant and Trainer
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