You should try it sometime. I've been sailing and racing for over 35
years now.--Matt, N1IBB.
At 09:40 AM 11/11/2015, you wrote:
>I have "seen" these boats. They are remarkable indeed. As a matter of
>fact, in Los Angeles where I live there are classes for blind sailing
>(technically Marina del Rey). Someday, I would like to do it.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: For blind ham radio operators [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>On Behalf Of Tom Fowle
>Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 6:20 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: OT. sailboats for the disabled.
>
>richard,
>Actually there are several dingies designed for folks with no or little
>lower body movement. puff and sip controls for the sheets and tiller and the
>lot. Cost like sin though.
>Tom Fowle WA6IVG
>Past commodore BAADS the Bay Area Association of Disabled Sailors.
>
>On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 12:35:45PM -0800, Richard B. McDonald wrote:
> > Tom, now that is funny - a sailboat for the disabled! LOL! priceless
>indeed!
> > And, I think you are right on the painting matter too.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: For blind ham radio operators
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > On Behalf Of Tom Fowle
> > Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 7:07 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Using PVC as a Frame for My 10M Full Wave Loop Antenna
> >
> > It might make sense to paint something expensive like the Steppir with
> > "EXPENSIVE" marine paint, but PVC is pretty cheap it'd probably be
> > cheaper to replace the pvc every couple years or so rather than use
> > marine paint on it.
> >
> > Anything "MaARINE" is way expensive. like anything for the "DISABLED"
> > Gosh, think what they must charge for sailboats for the disabled!
> > Yeah, been there seen that!
> > Just my not very humble opinion. <GRIN> Tom Fowle WA6IVG
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 09, 2015 at 09:51:34AM -0700, Alan R. Downing wrote:
> > > I haven't been following this thread, but if it hasn't already been
> > > suggested, I would suggest that you paint with some quality marine
> > > paint. I know guys that want to extend the life of their SteppIr
> > > tubes use marine paint because it isn't bothered by the elements as
> > > much as regular outdoor paint would be.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > Alan - N7MIT
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Alan R. Downing
> > > Phoenix, AZ
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: For blind ham radio operators
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
> > > Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 7:48 AM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: Using PVC as a Frame for My 10M Full Wave Loop Antenna
> > >
> > > Yeah, Kent, painting is widely recommended. Some sort of a latex
> > > paint is best I suppose especially since I will put the wire inside
> > > the PVC. I guess it will come down to the cost differential between
> > > 1) "Schedule 40" UV resistant PVC versus 2) non-UV resistant PVC
> > > plus the cost of the necessary paint.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: For blind ham radio operators
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > On Behalf Of Kent Plemmons
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 11:12 AM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: Using PVC as a Frame for My 10M Full Wave Loop Antenna
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Don't use the "black", that is not PVC but rather ABS. When the sun
> > > hits ABS it will bow due to it being black and the side of the pipe
> > > that is directly exposed to the sun will expand causing a bow. PVC
> > > that is gray is generally used as electrical conduit and offers some
> > > characteristic that greatly reduces static that might build up in a
> > > wire. Pretty much any PVC will work but I personally would paint it.
> > >
> > > Kent, KK4FFF, Clyde NC
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: For blind ham radio operators
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 12:47 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: Using PVC as a Frame for My 10M Full Wave Loop Antenna
> > >
> > > Hi Tom!
> > >
> > > thanks for this. Right - "Schedule 40" PVC it shall be!
> > > Incidentally, is it grey? Someone said to use the "grey" PVC for
> > > its UV resistance; and another member of this list said to avoid the
> > > "black" PVC for its carbon content.
> > >
> > > As far as placement of the loop, I am planning just to place it atop
> > > my shack's roof. The roof is flat with a ~3% slant, and ~13' high.
> > >
> > > 73,
> > > Richard KK6MRH
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: For blind ham radio operators
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > On Behalf Of Tom Fowle
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 5:44 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: Using PVC as a Frame for My 10M Full Wave Loop Antenna
> > >
> > > richard,
> > > To clarify another post, you need to use "Schedule 40" pvc which is U.V.
> > > resistant.
> > >
> > > I'd think each segment of your loop won't be much more than 2 meters
>long.
> > > I'd kind of doubt you'll need reinforcemment for that relatively
> > > small setup, but you could also use a few extra rope supports
> > > depending on how you're going to support the loop.
> > >
> > > There shouldn't be any; issue with running the wire inside the pipe,
> > > except kind of a tangle while assembling everything on the long wire.
> > >
> > > How do you plan to support the loop?
> > >
> > > Tom Fowle WA6IVG
> > > On Sat, Nov 07, 2015 at 05:14:52PM +0000, R Bernstein wrote:
> > > > Use uv-resistant PVC. Reinforce it inside with wooden dowels or
> > > > possibly 3=
> > > > /4 inch PVC.
> > > >
> > > > 73, Rick W3GWU
> > > > ________________________________________
> > > > From: For blind ham radio operators
> > > > [[log in to unmask]] on beha= lf of Richard B. McDonald
> > > > [[log in to unmask]]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 9:11 AM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Using PVC as a Frame for My 10M Full Wave Loop Antenna
> > > >
> > > > Hi!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So, I am planning to make my RX only 10M (28.4 MHZ) full wave loop
> > > > antenna into an octagon shape. My wire is insulated 14 gauge
> > > > stranded
> > > copper wire.
> > > > I intend to use ~1.0" diameter PVC pipe for a frame. About PVC
> > > > pipe, does it matter if I 1) put the wire inside the pipe or 2)
> > > > tape it to the outside of the pipe? I prefer putting the wire
> > > > inside the
> > pipe.
> > > > However, are ther= e any RF interference issues with PVC? Also, I
> > > > wonder how PVC will hold-up t= o the elements - particularly UV
> > > > light (sunlight)?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 73,
> > > >
> > > > Richard KK6MRH
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