I do understand how difficult it can be to try and wrap your head around NVDA's object navigation commands. When I was first introduced to it around 2009 I pretty much totally gave up on trying to understand it. A few years later I realized that the concept is similar to the way the Mac allows you to interact with the different windows and elements which are on your screen when you want to explore them in more detail, such as when you interact with a table. If you've ever used the touch cursor in JAWS it's like navigating in advanced mode. With NVDA, however, the number pad on a full-size keyboard is always in this mode, as opposed to the standard arrow keys which moves the standard caret or focus. There is also a flat review mode which you can get to by pressing numpad 7. Once this review mode is enabled the number pad kind of behaves like the old ASAP screen reader for those who remember its navigation with 7, 8 and 9 for reading previous, current or next line with 4, 5 6 doing the same for words and 1, 2 and 3 for characters. It doesn't allow for that in all cases, though.
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From: Visually Impaired Computer Users' Group List <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Gary Melconian
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do agree with ana, on this one. I was a long time window eyes user an having to swwitch from window eyes to jaws and NVDA was a challenge in itself.
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From: Visually Impaired Computer Users' Group List <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Ana G
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 12:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [VICUG-L] using NVDA
Changing screen readers is very hard, especially if you've been using one for a long time.
I'm still mostly a Jaws user though I'm now using Narrator about a third of the time. At work, computer use is a small part of my day, and there I use Narrator or NVDA, mostly NVDA because the version of Windows 10 running at work is a couple of years old, and Narrator is less stable on that version.
For me, the differences between Jaws and NVDA are big enough to make the transition rocky. A lot of the commands we use to do things are actually Windows commands, so that doesn't change, but of course, the commands we use to read things are screen reader specific, so there's where the rockiness comes in.
Here's a list of NVDA commands:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nvaccess.org%2Ffiles%2FnvdaTracAttachments%2F455%2Fkeycommands%2520with%2520laptop%2520keyboard%2520layout.html&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cae82bad7509e45a8d16008d938e99b39%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637603398257524774%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=ReCExOwDyUlNsv4Akcwq7wo8hFY%2Fg9TIn4%2BBb4vvGSc%3D&reserved=0
And here's the user's guide:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nvaccess.org%2Ffiles%2Fnvda%2Fdocumentation%2FuserGuide.html&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cae82bad7509e45a8d16008d938e99b39%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637603398257524774%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=WXNc%2Fn2oDSnA6VDAGjq3%2B5fFC%2B76ONsBUc2DgGbB5yA%3D&reserved=0
I mostly use my screen readers in laptop layout, so the differences are greater than if I were using them in desktop layout. The thing I struggle with in NVDA is the concept of the review cursor versus the active cursor. Either I'm not understanding or it's buggy because things often don't work as I expect.
On 6/26/2021 9:14 AM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
> Hi all,
> Okay, so I decided to download NVDA. What do I need to know about
> using it? I'm used to using Jaws, so what are the differences and
> similarities between the two screen readers? I'm not sure I want to
> give up Jaws for good, but I'd like to know how to use it in case I
> ever can't afford to upgrade my SMA. Look forward to any help anyone
> can provide me!!!! Using the latest version of NVDA and Windows 10.
> Thanks Madison
>
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