Hello All,
Anna makes some good points. I would stick with iOS but as I now do accessibility testing for living, I need to use Android devices with TalkBack. To be honest, so far I hate it. The poor support for Braille is inexcusable. I don't like Google's lousy support model where you can't even speak to a human. To make matters worse, I have not yet found an actual live human being who uses Android with whom I could speak. I found the people on the Eyes-free Google group rude and unhelpful. When I tried to post to the Inclussive Android site, the site rejected my post because it didn't conform to their standards. The web master said he would fix the site so I would have permission to post but that never happened. I also wanted to participate in testing the beta version of BrailleBack, and ran into obstacles everwhere I turned.
The situation with Apple isn't much right now. Ironically, I just ot the newest focus display and all of the available iOS commands. If only iOos 11 really worked with Braille. I have an open case with Apple and they can't figure out the problem.
So as you can see I'm rather ticked off.
Dan
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> On Oct 23, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Ana G <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Albert,
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> I started using Android because I thought I'd be getting some work that required an Android device. This was a long, long time ago, when Android accessibility was new. I hated the OS for the first month. Then it clicked for me, and I've loved it ever since.
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> I've used an iPhone though not recently and never as my primary device. Initially, iOS had a better and more polished experienced. Now the two systems are mostly comparable. I think Android braille and text editing features could use some improvement, but I'm still able to get work done on the go when I need to.
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> For me, the primary difference between Android and iOS is that iOS involves more steps and more gestures. Some people like this. The extra steps keep mistakes down to a minimum, and the extra gestures allow for more precise control of X, Y, and Z. I find the extra steps and extra gestures annoying an cumbersome. Now that I know the logic of Android, I can zip through tasks pretty quickly. People used to the iPhone tend to struggle with Android, which seems a little too spare.
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> If you're an iPhone user and you're basically happy with it, there's no need to change.
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> Why are you exploring other options? In other words, what is it that you'd like to be different?
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> Ciao
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>> On 10/22/2017 3:22 PM, albert Cutolo wrote:
>> Good evening,
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>> If I may ask, What prompted you too choose the Android phone, rather then the Iphone? I'm asking, because I'm trying to decide from those who use android phones, what the differences are between those two systems.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Visually Impaired Computer Users' Group List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ana G
>> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 7:20 AM
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>> Subject: Re: [VICUG-L] Android [was] I have a new phone and I was wondering if there was any android users on the list? I have a galaxy j3 mission. can I have help with it please? thanks
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>> You can find information to help you get started with android and talkback from the following sources:
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>> 1. Google's official help for Android accessibility:
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>> https://support.google.com/accessibility/android/answer/6006564?hl=en
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>> 2. The Inclusive Android site, which posts app reviews and walkthroughs.
>> Though material seems to be old, it's still relevant as 90% of what is posted still works now:
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>> http://www.InclusiveAndroid.com
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>> 3. My book on National Braille Press, which is for getting start with
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>> http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/ANDROID.html
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>> 4. My reference volume on National Braille Press, which is mostly commands with very brief explanations:
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>> http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/AND-COMMAND.html
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>> 5. There are also a couple of discussion lists.
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>> * Eyes-Free on Google Groups, which is very high-traffic:
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?nomobile=true#!forum/eyes-free
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>> * VI-Android on Freelists. I'm not on this list, so I don't have any direct experience with it and may be confusing it for a different list.
>> Anyway, my understanding is that it's relatively low-traffic and on-topic:
>> https://www.freelists.org/list/vi-android
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