Dave:

No, you haven't over-explained.

Mike Duke (K5XU) is also giving me some good suggestions, and I'll try them
too when I get the chance here.

May not be until the week-end, though, at this point.

It's just so frustrating sometimes when you feel defeated by the technology,
but I'm sure I'll get there.

Tom Behler: KB8TYJ


-----Original Message-----
From: For blind ham radio operators [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
On Behalf Of Dave Basden
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:25 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: N3FJP Logging Software Question

Hi Tom,

I just tried my 7QP log to be sure.  Window-Eyes uses the keypad keys to
move the actual mouse around.  Pressing home on the keypad moves the actual
mouse pointer to the top left of the screen.  Pressing the keypad down arrow
moves the mouse pointer down line by line.  Seven presses of the down arrow
lands me on the all button and I left click it using another key on the
keypad.  That puts the logging program in the mode for all QSO's.  Next I
press the keypad home key again to move to the upper left corner and keypad
arro down to the first QSO, which happens to be #153.  When I left click
that first QSO I am in the list of QSO's.  I can then use the standard arrow
keys to arrow down QSO by QSO or the standard END key to move to the bottom
or QSO #1, or the standard HOME key again to move back to the top or QSO
#153.  If I find a log entry that needs correction, I press TAB once to land
on edit and press enter.  I can then tab through the various fields and make
corrections.  When I'm satisfied, I press ENTER.  Unfortunately that puts me
back in the call edit box for a new QSO entry, so I have to again press HOME
to get to the top and keypad arrow down to the log enteries and press enter
to get back in the list.  If instead of editing an entry, I want to delete
it, pressing TAB twice instead of once puts me on delete and pressing ENTER
on that deletes the entry and returns me to the call edit box for a new QSO.

I can't believe JAWS doesn't do something very similar to what I do with
Window-Eyes.  There is a Window-Eyes cursor that moves what is read without
moving the mouse pointer, but I am talking about the actual mouse pointer
being moved by using the keypad arrow keys.  If the JAWS cursor is like the
Window-Eyes cursor, it doesn't move the mouse pointer so it wouldn't put it
on the "all" button and clicking wouldn't work.  The actual mouse pointer
has to be on the "all" button.

The alternative method of getting the mouse pointer to the all button that I
mentioned earlier is to move the mouse to the upper left and use the mouse
search function to find "all".  When I do this with the Window-Eyes mouse
search function, it first lands on the "all" in the word "recall" and next
on the "all" button that I am trying to reach.  Again left clicking the
mouse puts the software in all QSO mode.

I hope I have been clear enough.  One of the problems we professors often
have is that we over explain.  I hope I haven't done that!

73,

Dave, W7OQ

At 04:17 PM 10/19/2015, you wrote:
>Dave:
>
>My XYL has no problems seeing the last 20 contacts, followed by view 
>all, but when I go to the Jaws cursur, and try to route it to that 
>button, I keep getting the error message that says I'm not on the 
>button.  I tried using my right and left arrow keys on either side of 
>where we thought the button was, but still had no luck.
>
>Tom Behler: KB8TYJ
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: For blind ham radio operators 
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>On Behalf Of Dave Basden
>Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 12:48 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: N3FJP Logging Software Question
>
>Hi Tom,
>
>It occurred to me that I could just check for the word "all" with the 
>mouse search function.  The first hit was on recall and the second was 
>on the all for listing contacts.  That puts the mouse on it, so a left 
>mouse click should do it.  I can't imagine why your XYL can't see the 
>last 20  followed by all.  I'll have to get my XYL to look at the 
>screen to see if Window-Eyes is seeing something not visible to the naked
eye.
>
>73,
>
>Dave
>
>
>At 04:08 PM 10/18/2015, you wrote:
> >Dave:
> >
> >I may have to try this strategy for getting the complete list of 
> >contacts in a given N3FJP log after all.  This is because I can't 
> >seem to get Mike's strategy for locating the view all graphic button 
> >with the Jaws cursor, and then labeling it using the Jaws key G 
> >command to work here.  My sighted XYL and I worked together to try to 
> >implement Mike's strategy, but we had no luck.  Perhaps I'm doing 
> >something wrong, or maybe there's something with my Windows XP 
> >logging computer and
>Jaws 14.
> >
> >Will keep on working the problem here, and I'm sure will get it 
> >solved one way or the other.
> >
> >Tom Behler: KB8TYJ
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: For blind ham radio operators
> >[mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> >On Behalf Of Dave Basden
> >Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 4:45 PM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: N3FJP Logging Software Question
> >
> >Hi Tom,
> >
> >I don't have the Pennsylvania QSO party logging software, but I do 
> >have the 7QP and the currently running NYQP software from N3FJP.  For 
> >both of them, I can move the mouse to the top left and then arrow the 
> >mouse down till I hear last 20  followed by all.  Clicking on all 
> >allows me to go through all the log entries.  Left click on one and 
> >then you can use the standard arrow keys to move down through the 
> >log.  If one needs editing, you can tab down to edit.  I'm using 
> >Window-Eyes 9.2, but I doubt very much this wouldn't work with JAWS.
> >
> >73,
> >
> >Dave, W7OQ
> >
> >At 09:10 AM 10/17/2015, you wrote:
> > >Hello, everyone.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I am preparing to submit my log for last week-end's Pennsylvania 
> > >QSO Party, and I need to check a few log entries.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I am trying to view all of my contacts, and can't seem to get 
> > >beyond the last 20 contacts in my log, using the Control Q option 
> > >in the N3FJP contest logging software.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I know there is a way to view your entire list of contacts, but 
> > >can't figure out how to do so.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I have some earlier instructions here from Jim (Ky2D), but I think 
> > >they might apply only to A C log, because I can't seem to get them 
> > >to work with the P A Q P software.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Any help with this would be appreciated.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Tom Behler: KB8TYJ
> > >
> > >