It's funny, now that we're on a budget here that no one could actually live 
on while I job search, anyone knows of anything anywhere in the country let 
me know moving is looking better every day, a anyway, I find us leaning 
toward older cars now. They're cheaper and cheaper to fix yes but I'm 
finding no matter what we get for a family car, older and less features is 
what I want because my old repair and diagnostics methods work without 
needing to put it on a scanner or something, anything goes wrong I can 
diagnose it by sound or what ever in the driveway and with not as many 
features,I can fix it and less can go wrong. The current one I had to 
replace most of the brake lines in because it sat so long, no antilock 
brakes module to deal with was very nice and all straight clean runs.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Gammon" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 1:09 AM
Subject: Re: accessibility of appliances


>I read that book a while back.  I think it's rather humorous that
> one of the only cars still working was an Edsole, yup, no
> computer crapola interface, just a carburator and spark plugs.
> The thing is that the Coppel book is Real! Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Curtis Delzer <[log in to unmask]
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date sent: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 20:44:41 -0800
> Subject: Re: accessibility of appliances
>
> or, "one second after," where it is an EMP that does it.  and
> then,
> his sequel, "one year after" published by William Forstchen
> which is
> not as fanciful as it sounds.
>
> At 06:37 PM 11/11/2015, you wrote:
> Well Jordan, it sounds like we might all be forced in to buying
> Iphones or
> androids if in fact they have app's to control our washers etc.
> Boy, that's
> scary, the internet of Things.  I am reading a book by Ted Coppel
> called
> Lights Out where he  discusses   a cyber attack that will take
> down the
> electrical grid.  Very interesting and thought provoking, Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jordan Gallacher
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 5:45 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: accessibility of appliances
>
> It's definitely a problem that I do not know of any solutions to
> since quite
> a few appliances have gone to either a flat panel for the
> controls or a
> touchscreen.  I have heard of a few that do have apps to be able
> to control
> them, but I cannot say anything other than that since I have
> never tried any
> of them.
> Jordan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: For blind ham radio operators
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> On Behalf Of Jim Gammon
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 7:30 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: accessibility of appliances
>
> Yup, right you are about washers and dryers, at least our new
> front loading
> ones.  I can start ours, but that's all.  I have been meaning to
> contact the
> manufacturer about accessibility features, such as markings etc,
> but have
> not done so.  I bet there aren't any.  Even when you go into most
> stores to
> check out stuff it's non-operative and the sales people have no
> idea what
> you are asking about.  I will make myself a note to ask about
> accessibility.
> 73, Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Miller <[log in to unmask]
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date sent: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 20:09:32 -0500
> Subject: Re: Accessibility of APRS?
>
> Someone I dog sit for now and then, also a ham but anyway, last
> time I was
> there I tried to use his washing machine.  If you set it and
> forget it you
> only need to hit the start button and the power button I think.
> If you
> change modes or anything, water temperature, none of the controls
> stop they
> just spin for ever, with clicks at the settings but bump it with
> the power
> button off it will spin but not change anything so you can't mark
> it or
> anything.  I'm glad I have the old style but I'm sure no matter
> how many
> times I fix it, it won't last forever.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Gammon
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 7:33 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Accessibility of APRS?
>
> Yes, right you are.  We once got one of those dumb coffee makers
> and I took
> it back because it was not very accessible.  My greatest pet
> peeve is that
> technology can be so liberating and because of the idiots who
> make much of
> it don't consider putting in some simple beeps, or even speech,
> things that
> should or could be more accessible often wind up being unusuable
> for blind
> folks.  Ok, down off my soap box.  Well, one last thing, let's
> hear it for
> Universal Design! Jim WA6EKS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jim Shaffer <[log in to unmask]
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date sent: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:15:15 -0600
> Subject: Re: Accessibility of APRS?
>
> Eric, getting all our blind friends to become hams wouldn't do it
> either.
> For example, look at all the products that are not accessible,
> for example,
> the Keurig 2.0 coffee brewers.  Are there even any accessible new
> Sirius/XM
> radios?
> --
> Jim, ke5al
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Oyen
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 1:42 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Accessibility of APRS?
>
> actually, there is a way.
> method 1: use a concurrent table that contains columns for
> station ID, =
> LAT, LONG, DIrection of travel, Velocity, etc.
>
> method 2 might involve using an app like apple maps (on their
> iPhone) =
> which can tell the location of a pointer on the map (used in turn
> by = turn
> navigation).
>
> Honestly, I think the first method is easier to achieve.
>
> The problem with map description is that it needs a lot of
> information = not
> easily presentable and also needs a large amount of bandwidth for
> =
> retrieval of location specifics in real time.
>
> I have noticed this issue about a lot of the digital mode
> software for = ham
> radio.  almost none of it is properly accessible for the blind =
> (especially
> dm88 in HRD).  getting anyone to acknowledge that we (as a =
> community of
> hams) even exists is starting to become a full time job = (and
> sometimes
> even major frustration as I get the impression that they = don't
> want to
> hear from us).
>
> perhaps what we need to do is to find every blind person we can
> and =
> encourage them to become hams.  The larger our population in a
> specific =
> population market, the more we get listened to.  Its simple,
> direct and =
> easy to do.
>
> DE n7zzt Eric
>
> On Nov 11, 2015, at 12:05 PM, John Miller wrote:
>
> I've experimented with APRS and I don't see a way, It shows
> actual = maps
> on=20 the screen with people pinpointed on them, nothing is
> described that I
> =
> can=20
> tell except maybe longitude and latitude and I'm not even totally
> sure =
> about=20
> that for sure.  I don't see it being able to be accessible in
> it's =
> current=20
> state and not sure there's really any way they could make it =
> accessible.
> =20
> -----Original Message-----=20
> From: Matthew Chao
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 1:08 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Accessibility of APRS?
> =20
> Hi, Folks.  I have a Kenwood TMV710A which has APRS.  Is there
> any way to
> make APRS accessible?  Thanks.--Matt, N1IBB.=20
>
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