Thanks for this additional info, Mike, on the Atom 1000.
I'll save it for future reference.
Tom Behler: KB8TYJ
-----Original Message-----
From: For blind ham radio operators [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
On Behalf Of Mike Keithley
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 4:56 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Yet Another Update On RV DXCC Antenna Situation
Hi,
The manual shown in the message is for the ATOM200. The text below is for
the ATOM1000, AND i think you'll find it more detailed.
An item not noted in the 1000 manual is that ATOM cannot be used to mimic an
SWR meter connected to a tuner. The thinking was that since there would be a
difference in RF voltage on a feed line with and without SWR, you would hear
a dip in pitch at minimum SWR. In some situations this is true, but in most
it isn't.
Audible Transmitter Output Monitor (ATOM) 1000 Instruction Manual
Description
ATOM is a simple tuning aid for blind or low-vision hams who cannot access
an internal or external power meter. For stations that have initially been
installed correctly, ATOM will give a recognizable audible alert if
something is preventing a transmitter from putting out full power, and
causes your CQ's to go unheard. ATOM will catch most common oversights such
as not setting VOX correctly or not activating an automatic antenna tuner,
and also catch more serious problems such as damage to feedlines or antennas
when the transmitter has circuitry to limit RF output due to high VSWR. If
you cannot read a power meter or other qualitative means to know that output
is being generated, use ATOM. You'll find that ATOM gives you a very
information-rich indication of the RF activity on your feedline, building
confidence that all is working as intended.
ATOM is not an VSWR meter. While such meters give you more information,
they are also slightly more complicated to operate, and much more expensive.
Their capability is more than is needed to answer the question "is my
transmitter continuing to work as well as it did when it was initially
installed?"
ATOM is connected between the transceiver and feedline (or tuner, if
external). It has two SO239 connectors, and either one may be used as the
input. When turned on, ATOM sounds a tone whose pitch is related to the
transmitted power. Much information can be gleaned from its audible signals,
such as how the power varies while an automatic antenna tuner searches for
the best match. When there is no RF output, it clicks slowly so you won't
forget to turn it off.
ATOM will work well with transceivers having built-in tuners feeding
antennas such as G5RVs, or others with VSWRs less than approximately 4:1, or
for use with remote antenna tuners connected to any type of antenna. It
works between 1.8 and 54 MHz, at power levels from 1 watt up to 1000 watts.
When used with a remote antenna tuner such as an SGC234 mounted at the feed
point of the antenna, ATOM will emit a series of warbling tones while the
tuner's program matches the 50-ohm coax to the transmitter/tranceiver. A
steady tone is emitted once a good match is found, and subsequent
transmissions on the same frequency will usually yield an immediate steady
tone because the tuner will have previously memorized the best settings.
ATOM can also be use with external autotuners in the ham shack, but these
units usually make enough relay noise while working as to make for less need
for it. However it might be enlightening when the tuner is trying to achieve
a match close to its limits, the tuner gives up, and there's no output. You
can also use the device to tune old tube rigs, but you'll need sighted help
tracking plate current. You can insert ATOM in a line feeding input to a
lineer amplifier, so you'll have a qualatative excitation indicator. For a
discussion of power vs pitch, see the specifications section.
The circuitry inside ATOM senses the RF voltage on the feed line, and uses
it to control a voltage-controlled oscillator (VCO). Unlike a VSWR meter,
ATOM is responsive to both forward and reverse power, but still gives a very
good idea of what is happening on the feedline. It is important to remember
that a pitch for a certain power level is meaningless unless the feedline
ATOM is monitoring is matched to 50 ohms. When a transmitter is matched to
50 ohms, it responds to one watt signals with a buzz at approximately 30
Hz. For a matched 1000 watt signal, the pitch is around 1KHz. The front end
of ATOM is safe for RF voltages up to around 700 volts peak, so its 1000
watt rating is conservative.
Important warning: Always have ATOM connected to a feedline, whether it be
to an antenna, external auto tuner or linear amplifier. If you don't
terminate ATOM, an auto tuner in your transceiver will try to tune ATOM's
reactive impedance as if it were the output load. This will produce high
voltages, even at power levels like 25 watts. Beware!
The power switch is "on" when flipped towards the speaker grill and you hear
slow ticking. In normal use the 9-volt battery should last its shelf life.
How I use ATOM:
The rig in my station is a TS440SA feeding an SGC234 remote auto tuner at
the end of a long wire. It works against the metal casing of the mobile
home.
The supplied PL-259 coupler is used to connect one ATOM connector to my
transceiver.
My feedline cable is connected from the other ATOM connector to my remote
SGC234 antenna autotuner.
The transmitter is set to the frequency I want to use, in the CW mode.
The Kenwood is set to work straight through (i.e., not using it's internal
tuner).
ATOM is turned on,and there is slow ticking.
Transmitter power is applied. ATOM will emit a high-pitch tone. If it
remains steady, the tuner is matched, and you're ready to go. If the tone
takes on a warbling or variable-pitch aspect, the tuner is attempting to
achieve a match, and the tone may cover a wide range of pitches but usually
settles down to a steady tone within 10 to 20 seconds.
We're ready to go after we have a match, and ATOM can be turned off, which I
recommend when using phone modes as its tone will get into the microphone.
If I want to use SSB, I shift to that mode. ATOM's tone will show no power
but will rise when I talk into the mic.
Changing the Battery
ATOM uses one 9-volt battery. It's time to replace it when the ticking
stops. At this point, battery voltage is 6 volts. You will note that the
device still responds to RF, but the volume is down, and tones for given
power levels rise.
To remove the battery, orient the case so the plat side of the battery is
up, and the two SO239 connectors are toward you. With your finger nail or a
flat-bladed screwdriver, lift up on the end of the battery that is toward
you. The battery will detach from the holder, and you can pull it toward
you.
To replace the battery, align the small and large terminals of the battery
holder to the large and small terminals of the battery. Patiently work the
battery into the case cut-out, mate the two sets of terminals and slide them
together. Turn ATOM on to hear the slow ticking.
Troubleshooting
This device is really very simple and not much can go wrong. But if you
think the device is not responding as it should, you can try these things:
Make sure it's on! It's powered when the switch is toward the speaker grill
and you hear the ticking.
Make sure it has a fresh battery. See the procedure above to change it. If
you don't hear the ticking when you turn ATOM on, examine the mating of
battery and holder. There should be a 1/4 inch gap between the battery and
the plastic holder. If the gap is wider, the battery isn't mated to the
holder.
If you have a signal source, set it to 1 MHz with an output of 1 volt.
Connect the generator to either SO239 connector (the PL259 to BNC coupler is
very helpful here). Turn ATOM on and note the buzz of around 20 Hz.
Contact Information
If you need to contact the manufacturer of this device, send email to
[log in to unmask] or call 650-386-6286.
Specs
Tested frequency coverage: 500 KHz to 54 MHz. Responsive at 144 MHz.
RF power limits: 1000 watts CW, 1500 PEP for 50-ohm coax line with VSWR less
than 4:1, 2000 watts on match lines of 1:1 VSWR.
Pitch range: 5 Hz (pulses) through several KHz (tones), depending on RF
voltage Pitch vs. feedline voltage (50 ohms):
0W, ticking at around 2 Hz
1W, 20 Hz
5W, 60 Hz
10W, 90 Hz
100W, 200 Hz
500W, 500 Hz
1KW, 1 KHz
Power: One 9-volt alkaline battery (included)
Battery Drain, no input signal: less than 2 ma.
with signal: 5 ma.
Battery expected lifetime with typical use: approaches shelf life
Input/output connections: SO-239 coax with BNC connections as accessories.
Dimensions: 1.2 x 2.4 x 4.4 inches die-cast box
Theory, and Word Description of Schematic
The transmitter's feedline is routed through ATOM's housing. ATOM then uses
a voltage-controlled oscillator (VCO) U1 to generate an audible pitch
proportional to the signal level on the feedline. ATOM's VCO uses an LM555
timer IC, U1, packaged as an 8-pin DIP.
The input and output SO239 coax sockets are grounded to the metal case. The
minus side of the 9-volt battery is also grounded, and the positive side is
fed through a SPST toggle switch S1 to the plus input of a 5-volt regulator
IC (78-05). The negative input is grounded. The 5-volt regulated output
terminal provides Vcc to the LM555 IC U1 oscillator and a diode biasing
network. This terminal is also bypassed by a .1 Uf 100volt capacitor to
ground.
Pin 1 of the VCO U1 (LM555) is grounded, and pins 4 and 8 are connected to
Vcc. Pins 2 and 6 are connected together and to the timing capacitor C1, a
0.1uF 10% dip ceramic capacitor, whose other end is grounded. A 4.99K 1/4W
1% discharge resistor R2 is connected between pin 6 and the discharge pin 7.
Pin 3 connects to a 32-ohm speaker (SPKR1), whose other side is connected to
Vcc.
A jumper wire connects the center pins between the SO239 connectors and goes
through a voltage divider of two 10PF, 1000-volt mica capacitors to ground.
The mid-point of these capacitors goes through a 47PF, 300 volt mica
capacitor to the anode of D1, a 1N4148 diode and the cathode of D2, another
1N4148 diode. The cathode of D1 goes through a 100K resister to pin 6 of the
LM555 VCO. The anode of D2 goes through a 10K 1% metal film resistor to
ground and through a 28K 1% metal film resistor to the plus 5-volt regulated
line from U1.
In operation, the voltage voltage at the anode of D1 is slightly above the
volgage on pin 7 of the LM555 chip so when C1 is charged above the voltage
on pin 7, the system sends pulses to the speaker. Voltage on the feedline is
divided and rectified by D1 and used to charge the timing capacitor C1 by
sending current through resistor R1. When RF is present, this process
repeats itself continually. Each time U1 cycles, a pulse is produced on pin
3, which is heard in the speaker. How fast these cycles repeat depends on
the voltage on the feedline. They will repeat several tens of times per
second for single-digit power-levels, and many hundreds of times per second
for powers of 1000 watts or more.
18 ATOM 1000
ATOM
1000 1
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 4:07 pm
Subject: Re: Yet Another Update On RV DXCC Antenna Situation
>
>
> Thanks, David.
>
> This is exactly the info I need.
>
> Tom Behler: KB8TYJ
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: For blind ham radio operators
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> On Behalf Of David W Wood
> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 6:54 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Yet Another Update On RV DXCC Antenna Situation
>
> TOM
>
> THE .TXT IS AS BELOW:
>
> Audible Transmitter Output Monitor (ATOM) Instruction Manual
>
> Description:
> 6/4/2011
>
> ATOM is a simple tuning aid for blind or low-vision hams who cannot
> access an internal or external power meter. For stations that have
> initially been installed correctly, ATOM will give a recognizable
> audible alert if something is preventing a transmitter from putting
> out full power, and causes your CQ's to go unheard. ATOM will catch
> most common oversights such as not setting VOX correctly or not
> activating an automatic antenna tuner, and also catch more serious
> problems such as damage to feedlines or antennas when the transmitter has
circuitry to limit RF output due to high VSWR.
>
> If you cannot read a power meter or other qualitative means to know
> that output is being generated, use ATOM. You'll find that ATOM gives
> you a very information-rich indication of the RF activity on your
> feedline, building confidence that all is working as intended.
>
> ATOM is not of course an VSWR meter. While such meters give you more
> information, they are also slightly more complicated to operate, and
> much more expensive. Their capability is more than is needed to
> answer the question "is my transmitter continuing to work as well as
> it did when it was initially installed?"
>
> ATOM is connected between the transceiver and feedline (or tuner, if
> external). It has two SO239 connectors, and either one may be used as the
> input. When turned on, ATOM sounds a tone whose pitch is related to the
> transmitted power. Much information can be gleaned from its audible
> signals, such as how the power varies while an automatic antenna tuner
searches for
> the best match.
>
> ATOM will work well with transceivers having built-in tuners feeding
> antennas such as G5RVs, or others with VSWRs less than approximately
> 4:1, or for use with remote antenna tuners connected to any type of
> antenna. It works between 1.8 MHz and 54 MHz, at power levels from 1
> watt up to around
> 150 watts.
>
> When used with a remote antenna tuner such as an SGC234 mounted at the
> feed point of the antenna, ATOM will emit a series of warbling tones
> while the tuner's program matches the 50-ohm coax to the
> transmitter/tranceiver. A steady tone is emitted once a good match is
> found, and subsequent transmissions on the same frequency will yield
> an immediate steady tone because the tuner will have previously
> memorized the best settings. ATOM can also be use with external
> autotuners also in the ham shack, but these units usually make enough
> relay noise while working as to make for less need for ATOM. However
> ATOM might be enlightening when the tuner is trying to achieve a match
> close to its limits, if the tuner gives up, and there's no output!
>
> The circuitry inside ATOM senses the RF voltage on the feed line, and
> uses it to control a voltage-controlled oscillator (VCO). Unlike a
> VSWR meter, ATOM is responsive to both forward and reverse power, but
> still gives a very good idea of what is happening on the feedline.
> When a transmitter is matched to 50 ohms, it responds to one watt
> signals with a a buzz at approximately 40 Hz. For a matched 100 watt
> signal, the pitch is around 1KHz, increasing to around 1.5 KHz at 54
> MHz. The front end of ATOM is safe for RF voltages up to around 700
> volts peak, so its 150W rating for VSWR's less than 4:1 is conservative.
>
> The power switch is "on" when flipped towards the speaker grille. The
> batteries will discharge after about 500 hours of operation with ATOM
> turned on but with no RF present, so the switch should be turned off
> when ATOM is not in use. ATOM should not be used as a side tone
> monitor since that would shorten the battery life to several hundred
> hours. In normal use the batteries should last their shelf life,
approximately seven years.
>
>
> How I use ATOM:
>
> * The supplied PL-259 coupler is used to connect one ATOM connector to
> my Kenwood TS440SA.
> * My feedline cable is connected from the other ATOM connector to my
remote
> SGC234 antenna autotuner.
> * The transmitter is set to the frequency I want to use, in the CW mode.
> * The Kenwood is set to work straight through (i.e., not using it's
> internal tuner).
> * ATOM is turned ON.
>
> * Transmitter power is applied. ATOM will emit a high-pitch tone. If
> it remains steady, the tuner is matched, and you're ready to go. If
> the tone takes on a warbling or variable-pitch aspect, the tuner is
> attempting to achieve a match, and the tone may cover a wide range of
> pitches but usually settles down to a steady tone within 10 to 20 seconds.
>
> * We're ready to go after we have a match, and ATOM can be turned off,
> which I recommend when using phone modes as its tone will get into the
microphone.
>
>
> Changing the Batteries:
>
> ATOM uses four triple A batteries. When their voltage drops and they
> need to be replaced, the first thing you will notice is that ATOM's audio
volume
> drops precipitously. This happens at approximately 50% voltage.
>
> To change the batteries, remove the four flat-head screws in the
> corners of the box. Replace the four batteries as a set, with the
> negative side of the batteries against the springs in the battery holder.
>
> Troubleshooting
> This device is really very simple and not much can go wrong with it.
> But if you think the device is not responding when it should, you can
> try these
> things:
>
> Make sure it's on! It's powered when the switch is toward the speaker
grill.
>
> * Make sure it has fresh batteries. See the procedure above to change
them.
>
> Connect the plus side of a 9-volt battery to the center pin of either
> SO239 socket, with the minus side connected to the case (ground). When
ATOM is on
> and has fresh batteries, you'll hear a rapid ticking sound.
>
>
> Contact Information
> If you need to contact the manufacturer of this device, send email to
> [log in to unmask] or call 650-386-6286.
>
>
> Specifications:
>
> Frequency coverage: 1.8 MHz - 54 MHz.
> RF power limit: 150 watts max. for 50-ohm coax line with VSWR <4:1.
> Pitch range: 1 Hz (pulses) through several KHz (tones), depending on
> RF voltage Pitch vs. feedline voltage, same band: monotonic Typical
> (not
> specified) tone pitches:
> 0W: (no tone output)
> 1W matched: 30-40 Hz
> 10W matched: 350 Hz for 1.8 MHz, 575 Hz for 54 MHz 100W matched: 1
> KHz for
> 1.8 MHz, 1.5 KHz for 54 MHz
> Power: 4 internal AAA alkaline batteries (included) Battery Drain, no
> signal: <2 ma.
> Battery drain, typical signals: 2-25 ma.
> Battery expected lifetime with typical use: approaching shelf life
> Input/output connections: SO-239 coax
> Dimensions: 1.2" x 2.4" x 4.4"
> Supplied accessory: PL-259 M-M coupler
>
> Theory, and word description of schematic:
>
> ATOM measures the peak RF voltage on a feedline and provides
> reassurance that an amateur radio transmitter is operating correctly
> and actually putting out power. The transmitter's feedline is routed
> through ATOM's housing. ATOM then uses a voltage-controlled oscillator
> (VCO) U1 to generate an audible pitch proportional to the signal level
> on the feedline. ATOM's VCO uses an LM555 timer IC, U1, packaged as an
8-pin DIP.
>
> The input and output SO239 coax sockets are grounded to the metal
> case. The minus side of the 6 volt battery is also grounded, and the
> positive side is fed through a SPST toggle switch S1 to provide Vcc to
> the LM555 IC U1 oscillator.
>
> Pin 1 of the VCO U1 is grounded, and pins 4 and 8 are connected to
> Vcc. Pins
> 2 and 6 are connected together and to the timing capacitor C1, a 0.1uF
> 10% dip ceramic capacitor, whose other end is grounded. A 4.99K 1/4W
> 1% discharge resistor R2 is connected between pin 6 and the discharge pin
7.
> Pin 3 connects to a 32-ohm speaker (SPKR1), whose other side is
> connected to Vcc.
>
> A jumper wire connects the center pins between the SO239 connectors
> and to the anode of D1 on the circuit board. D1 is the first in a
> string of eight
> 1N4148 diodes (D1-D8) used to sample the RF voltage on the feedline.
> The rectified voltage, which can reach several hundred volts, is fed
> from the cathode of the last diode D8 through a 100K 1W metal film
> resistor R1, to U1's pin 7.
>
> In operation, voltages on the feedline are rectified by the diodes and
> used to charge the timing capacitor C1 by sending current through resistor
R1.
> When the voltage on the capacitor reaches a certain value, the timer
> U1 triggers, and causes its pin 7 to be grounded, which discharges C1
> through R1. When RF is present, this process repeats itself
> continually. Each time
> U1 cycles, a pulse is produced on pin 3, which is heard in the
> speaker. How fast these cycles repeat depends on the voltage on the
> feedline. They will repeat several tens of times per second for
> single-digit power-levels, and many hundreds of times per second for
powers of 100 watts or more.
>
>
> Schematic:
>
>
>
> Mike Kiethley
> [log in to unmask]
> 1
>
>
>
> ATB
>
> David W Wood
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: For blind ham radio operators
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 11:20 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Yet Another Update On RV DXCC Antenna Situation
>
> Butch or anyone:
>
> I'd appreciate the info page on the Atom.
>
> I've heard of it, but just don't recall the details.
>
> For now, I think I'm going to play with my little MFJ Versatuner, and
> my TW1.
>
> Pulling the TW1 out of my home station setup every time we go to the
> RV will be a bit of a pain, but it will help to provide me with a
> better idea of exactly what I'm working with out there, before I
> consider spending any more money.
>
> I also contacted a friend today, who agreed to bring an MFJ antenna
> analyzer out to the camp site the week-end after next, so that should also
help.
>
> Tom Behler: KB8TYJ
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: For blind ham radio operators
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> On Behalf Of Butch Bussen
> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 4:57 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Yet Another Update On RV DXCC Antenna Situation
>
> The noise bridge will work, although I've found a little tricky
> adjusting a tuner, works good on a screw driver. Also there is the a
> t om box, pitch rises on audio output, doesn't read swr, but max out
should work.
> I can find you the page if you need it. I think the cost is around
> $90
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
>
>
> On
> Mon, 29 Jun 2015, Tom Behler wrote:
>
> > Thanks, Lou.
> >
> > As I indicated in my last post, I hate to have to tear things apart
> > to take the TW1 to the RV every time I go out there, so I'm looking
> > at other options. Perhaps one of those MFJ noise bridges.
> >
> > Tom Bbehler: KB8TYJ
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: For blind ham radio operators
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > On Behalf Of Lou Kolb
> > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:23 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Yet Another Update On RV DXCC Antenna Situation
> >
> > Tom,
> >
> > i'd bring the Tw1 out there with you and just use the manual tuner.
> > And, it may sound fool-hearty, but I think I would even have tried
> > to run it on 20 meters despite the high SWR, It's doubtful you'd
> > hurt anything with today's foldback circuitry and It might've given
> > you more contacts. However, most reports I've heard seem to confirm
> > what you've said, that 40 was the place to be. Anyway, the fact that
> > the alpha-delta guy recommends running it as is, also indicates you
> > should
> just try it and see what it does. Good luck.
> > Lou WA3MIX
> > Lou Kolb
> > Voice-over Artist:
> > Radio/TV Ads, Video narrations
> > Messages On-hold:
> > www.loukolb.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tom Behler" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 2:42 PM
> > Subject: FW: Yet Another Update On RV DXCC Antenna Situation
> >
> >
> >> Hi, everyone.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> For whatever reason, my internet connection was acting really weird
> >> at the RV yesterday evening, so I don't know if my original e-mail
> >> made it to the list.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Usually, I get at least some responses to my various posts, so I'm
> >> really wondering if it got lost in cyber space somewhere.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If anyone wishes to comment on my thoughts below regarding my DXCC
> >> antenna situation out at the rv, I'd be very interested.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Again, see the e-mail below.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Tom Behler: KB8TYJ
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Tom Behler [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> >> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:31 PM
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Subject: Yet Another Update On RV DXCC Antenna Situation
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hello, again, everyone.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Well, on kind of a whim this afternoon, I wrote to Don Terrell of
> >> Alpha Delta Engineering about my situation with the Alpha Delta
> >> DXCC HF antenna here at the RV. I explained the installation to
> >> him, and what I thought might be contributing to my problems.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Here's what he said:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Tom, I have read your e-mail carefully. I think the RV roof,
> >> being metal, AND the 60 degree angle would be the "bad guys". Also,
> >> if the wires are within about 3-4 ft. from tree branches that will
> >> cause a coupling problem as well. In this case, just use a wide
> >> range tuner and leave it as is. the "on air' performance should be fine
anyway.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> TNX and 73,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Don, W8AD
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> So, now, this brings me to another thought:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have an old MFJ 901B manual versatuner that is not being used for
> >> anything right now.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Could I use that to basically tune the antenna, using receive noise
> >> as my indicator, and then just touch things up with the internal
> >> auto-tuner in the TS480?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have always heard that doing this would cause the tuners to work
> >> against each other, which could create real problems, but I never
> >> knew whether that was true or not.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Of course, I do have an LDG TW1 talking SWR/watt meter at the home
> >> qth, but hate to tear things apart to use it during the relatively
> >> short times when we are camping.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Does anyone have any wisdom on this latest idea?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have also asked the question to Don Terrell himself.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Tom Behler: KB8TYJ
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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