Specifics please?
On May 24, 2014, at 5:47, Jonathon Marcotte <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
I agree with you David that voiceover has better accessibility. But I do not agree, based on my experience, that it can do more than JAWS. like I said before, Harry, is all about personal need. Obviously the Mac works better for David, which is fine, but it did not work better for me and the things that I need to do.
Jon
> On May 24, 2014, at 12:07 AM, David Chittenden <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> OSX is based on Linux. Linux is, and has always been much more stable than Windows.
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> VoiceOver is built-in to OSX. It almost always remains on. On the rare occasions when it dies, pressing command f5 will toggle it off and on. Also, because VO is built-in, blind Mac users are able to install OSX from scratch.
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> Don't get me wrong, OSX has access difficulties, especially with Office because Microsoft refuses to follow Apple's well-published accessibility guidelines, and Apple does not create special exceptions.
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> It has been argued that VO is not scriptable like Jaws. This is, in point of fact, incorrect. VO is part of the Mac operating system. Therefore, it can be manipulated using Apple Scripts. However, for stability, Apple has set up in VO controls the ability to block scripts from effecting VO. This way, it is possible to protect VO from being negatively impacted by Apple Scripts.
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> All that said, the fact is, learning VoiceOver on the Mac takes significant time because many of the concepts are different. The fact also is, it took just as much time to initially learn Windows. I know because I have taught blind people how to use Windows, and it takes weeks.
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> In my case, it took two weeks, and considerable extreme frustration, to learn the basics.
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> I purchased my MacBook Air 11" in September, 2011. I retired my Windows machine a week later, thereby forcing myself to learn Mac, and only Mac. Given Apple's commitment to accessibility, and Microsoft's not-so-strong commitment to accessibility, I am now firmly and proudly an Apple fanboy. I drunk the Apple Coolaide, and feel sorry for those poor, deluded blind people who still believe Microsoft is the best option. Let the flames commence.
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> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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>> On 24 May 2014, at 18:29, harry brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> Well folks, I'm using a Gateway windows 7 laptop, running windows 7, and jaws 12.
>> Well, here's the latest.
>> I have read all the comments, and I was going to stay with windows.
>> I did, get a new hard drive installed on the laptop, and that helps, not nearly as many lockups and freeze ups.
>> However, about 20 minutes ago, I was on the internet, and looking up ham radios of different kinds, and reading reviews on eham.net.
>> I clicked on a review for a radio, and, you guessed it, a lockup and freeze up and no speech.
>> So, I had to do what many windows users have to do, and that was? You guessed it, a hard shut down, which is not healthy for computers, but as you all know, we have to do this once in a while.
>> Anyway, I did the hard shut down, and then turned the laptop back on, and it took minutes to start up, and I'm finally back on.
>> My question is for you Mac users. Do you have this kind of problem, with lockups and freeze ups with no speech?
>> This is just wasting my time, fighting with this computer.
>> If Macs don't have these problems, I'm switching over.
>> One Mac user here in town told me, "Harry, I don't have that many lockups and freeze ups, and if it does lock up, at least I still have my speech.
>> So, Mac users, let me hear from you, ok?
>> All I know is, after using windows for all these years, 15 years, since 1998), the lockup freeze up, lose speech stuff is getting old.
>> take care,
>> Harry
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