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Though we each are Christian, we do not share the same Faith.  Which is 
probably appreciated by us both.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: Just read the book


> Which faith would that be; yours or mine?
>
> Phil.
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Angel" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 6:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Just read the book
>
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>>I am not free to interpret scripture.  My Faith forbids private 
>>interpretation of scripture.  I never said you are a liar.  I am not free 
>>to judge that either.  As our Lord forbids such judgments.  I am free, 
>>however, not to believe what you believe, and you are free to do the same 
>>regarding me and my beliefs.  If we each believed the same things we would 
>>be of the same Faith.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: Just read the book
>>
>>
>>> Angel,
>>>
>>> So, since we don't agree on doctrinal positions and interpretation of 
>>> some Scriptures, am I a liar because it doesn't follow the 
>>> interpretation of the Catholic church or you?
>>>
>>> Phil.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Angel" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 5:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Just read the book
>>>
>>>
>>>>I will not read the book.  For the reasons I previously stated.  Many in 
>>>>this world have different beliefs than do I about all sorts of things 
>>>>from . John Calvin, to Charles Taze Russell, to Joseph Smith.  All 
>>>>claiming to base their beliefs on scriptural accuracy.  Each of whom 
>>>>have flawed reasoning, in my opinion.  Of course you are free, as you 
>>>>have done, to disagree with me on everything.  That is your right. 
>>>>About which I wouldn't gainsay you. I dare say, I need not have to know 
>>>>about the experiences of others regarding either heaven or hell.  I
>>>> Shall be having my own experiences in good time.  So why should I care 
>>>> to read about those of others?  When such are so personal, and can be 
>>>> so easily contrived by others to make a dollar or million.    -----  
>>>> Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:10 PM
>>>> Subject: Just read the book
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Angel,
>>>>>
>>>>> After you've read the book, and all the confirming Scriptures used in 
>>>>> the book to verify the miracle, then tell us how your beliefs are 
>>>>> superior to everyone else's believing in Bible doctrine and theology. 
>>>>> But you aren't going to do that, are you?  You are going to keep 
>>>>> running down everyone else who has read it as being gullible, easily 
>>>>> fooled and misguided, so called Bible believers.  I still say you are 
>>>>> just simply afraid to read it because you would rather believe in a 
>>>>> belief system than in Scripture itself even when Scripture is clearly 
>>>>> experienced by a Bible believer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Angel" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 6:51 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Angel, Please first read Heaven is for real: a little 
>>>>> boy's astounding story of his trip to heaven and back.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I am not angry,,  I apologize if it seems that I am,.  I just can't 
>>>>>>understand for the life of me why protestants find it so hard to 
>>>>>>believe in some Catholic teachings, such as those claiming the Saints 
>>>>>>are interceding for us constantly in heaven, and that they constantly 
>>>>>>are with us on earth watching over us with our personal angels.  They 
>>>>>>being the cloud of witnesses of which Saint Paul spoke, and they so 
>>>>>>easily accept something they read from a book shelf.  Almost as if it 
>>>>>>were gospel itself?  It seems to me, protestants will bee almost 
>>>>>>willing to believe anything from almost anyone who claims it to be 
>>>>>>true.  Some are almost as bad as those who believe the shroud of Turin 
>>>>>>is real.  When Saint Paul didn't even recount what he saw in heaven, 
>>>>>>and don't you think he would have at least raved about how he saw 
>>>>>>Saint Steven there. If he saw him. Because, we know he suffered from 
>>>>>>the guilt over the part he played in his martyrdom, if he saw him in 
>>>>>>heaven.  Why should I believe any modern recounts of heavenly 
>>>>>>experiences.  When, in order for A Saint to be canonized, two miracles 
>>>>>>must be verified as having been done by that Saint.  It is those 
>>>>>>recounting from such Saints as Paul and John in whom I put my trust 
>>>>>>concerning heavenly accounts.  I ask, what is the litmus test to which 
>>>>>>you all have put this recounting from this young man whom no one on 
>>>>>>the list knows personally? Now I am not saying the experiences 
>>>>>>themselves aren't real experiences.  I am just saying why I don't 
>>>>>>believe they should be taken at face value. Only God knows whether 
>>>>>>those experiences weren't hallucinations.  My late husband suffered 
>>>>>>from a load of those. Each of which seemed perfectly real to him. I 
>>>>>>know what they were too, because he spoke each he saw.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Donna Bell" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 5:56 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Angel, Please first read Heaven is for real: a little 
>>>>>> boy's astounding story of his trip to heaven and back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>> I haven't read the book yet, but I intend too.  My first  reaction 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> what I'm reading is that this family needs our prayers, and
>>>>>>> compassion.
>>>>>>> Any book that talks  about miracles should be weighed against 
>>>>>>> scripture,
>>>>>>> but it seems like what happened to this little one is meant  to 
>>>>>>> encourage us.
>>>>>>> I haven't  walked on water, or raised the dead,  but God has saved 
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> life more than once, and the testimonies from these events have lead
>>>>>>> people to salvation,  which is what really matters.
>>>>>>> We'll know the book by it's fruit.  Angel, I'm  sorry you seem so 
>>>>>>> angry.
>>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>> On 7/23/14, Phil Scovell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Then tell us everything that is theologically wrong with this 
>>>>>>>> miraculous
>>>>>>>> experience.  I get the feeling you don't want to read this little 
>>>>>>>> book and
>>>>>>>> I'm wondering why.  Why do you want to argue what you believe when 
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> haven't read this book of a little boy's testimony confirmed by 
>>>>>>>> Scripture
>>>>>>>> from beginning to end.  Are you worried it might challenge some of 
>>>>>>>> your most
>>>>>>>> closely held beliefs?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Phil.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>> 

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