Hi Pat!

Thanks for the warning, although  I don't think it would be in error when
applied to the guy that circumstances of my childhood. According to
qualifications, the guy in our area had been an army dentist. Let's just say
proctology would have likely been a better fit for his talent, hi hi.

73,
Dave  

-----Original Message-----
From: For blind ham radio operators [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
On Behalf Of Pat Byrne
Sent: Thursday, 7 May 2015 8:37 a.m.
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: absolutely nothing to do with ham radio but Dayton made me
think about it.

There are even regional differences in sign language.  The sign for
"dentist" is universal except in the state of Ohio where it coloquially
means "a-hole".  That from a family friend who is a licensed A S L
interpreter.  So be careful when looking for dental care in Ohio!!
PatAt 03:05 PM 5/6/2015, you wrote:
>Harvey, I think the latter.  Unless the community of the deaf has 
>changed dramatically.  When I was an hr specialist with the Postal 
>Service, one of the programs I was in charge of was communications 
>between a fairly large contingency of deaf letter sorting machine 
>operators and postal management with regard to operational and hr 
>related subjects.  Our interpreter always used sign language.  She told 
>me that lip reading is prone to much misunderstanding, especially with 
>words which are similar in shape but have completely different 
>meanings.  An example;  The Seinfeld episode where lip reading causes 
>nothing but misunderstandings all round.  There is a big difference 
>between six, and sex. The shape of the lips and tongue are the same.  Get
it wrong by lip reading and...
>
>Chuck wa8vmo
>--------------------------------------------------
>From: "Harvey Heagy" <harvey.heagy@COX
>NET>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 2:43 PM
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: absolutely nothing to do with ham radio but Dayton made me 
>think about it.
>
> > That's something I've always wondered; if the opponents of sign 
> > language are primarily of the hearing impaired community, or outside 
> > that community who work in it claiming to know what's best for them.
> > Harvey
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: For blind ham radio operators 
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > On Behalf Of Chuck Lester
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2015 11:13 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: absolutely nothing to do with ham radio but Dayton made 
> > me think about it.
> >
> > Harvey,
> >
> > Just like those who can hear and see to tell both those who can''t 
> > hear or see the best way.  I mean after all, they have all five 
> > senses, who could argue with that.  Of course, this completely 
> > discounts the human brain and the other guy/gal's need to cope with 
> > the real environment. To take away a usable tool, just because, you
don't think I need it, is absolutely silly.
> > It sounds so political. Besides, I don't want to teach sign language.
> > And,
> > I don't want to teach Braille.  That mentality runs congress.
> >
> > Chuck wa8vmo