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Pat Byrne <[log in to unmask]>
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For blind ham radio operators <[log in to unmask]>
Date:
Fri, 10 Oct 2014 18:00:17 -0500
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Any antenna within reason will work with almost any modern 
transceiver.  So the short answer is yes.  Still have to consider the 
efficiency of the antenna, and so on as list members have been 
telling you.  From everuthing I hear, the TS590 is a great rig.
patAt 05:49 PM 10/10/2014, you wrote:
>I'm leaning towards the 590S. What antennas or whatnot would work with this r=
>ig? Would "ham sticks" work with this radio?
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 10, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Pat Byrne <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >=20
> > Joe,
> > =46rom the description of the antenna I personally wouldn't care to=20
> > deal with it.  There appear to be two variables; the length of the=20
> > antenna, and the loading coil which seems to be adjustable.  Over=20
> > time you would find ways to be able to quickly adjust the antenna to=20
> > a particular frequency, which will be necessary for proper operation,=20
> > but there would be a hell of a lot of trial and error before you=20
> > reached that point.  You would need a way to tell if the antenna was=20
> > resonant, probably an audible SWR meter, a visual meter if your=20
> > vision permits, or a pair of willing eyes.  I know I wouldn't=20
> > personally have the patience to make it work!
> > If you have a balcony, the dipole configured hamsticks are a good one=20
> > band solution.  And a person could have multiple sets of hamsticks=20
> > for multiple bands.  A random length of wire thrown over a balcony=20
> > railing is an option along with an automatic antenna tuner.  Perhaps=20
> > inefficient but workable.  I had a friend who had a couple of dipoles=20
> > in the attic of the townhouse complex where he lived and alleged to=20
> > have worked a decent amount of DX with them.
> > So you have lots of options - decide which band or bands you are=20
> > interested in and what kind of transceiver you want or have.  Does it=20
> > have an onboard antenna tuner.  If not, that should go on your wish list.
> > We'll help you through this!!
> > pat, K9JAUAt 04:13 PM 10/10/2014, you wrote:
> >> So do y'all think that this antenna would be worth me buying? Or would it=
>  be=3D
> >> too much of a pain to deal with?
> >> Also why don't these Hf radios come with some sort of antennas?=3D20
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>=20
> >>> On Oct 10, 2014, at 3:17 PM, Jim Shaffer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>> =3D20
> >>> Ok, here's the antenna Joe's talking about:
> >>> =3D20
> >>> The MFJ-1622 Apartment Antenna covers 40 through 2 Meters, mounts
> >> outdoor t=3D
> >> o=3D20
> >>> windows, balconies, railings, and works great indoors mounted 
> to desks,=3D=
>20=3D
> >>=20
> >>> tables, and bookshelves!
> >>> This Apartment Antenna lets you operate 40 through 10 Meters on HF and 6=
>  a=3D
> >> nd=3D20
> >>> 2 Meters on VHF with a single antenna! Its universal mount/clamp
> >> lets you=3D20=3D
> >>=20
> >>> easily attach it to window frames, balconies, and railings. It=20
> >> also works=3D20=3D
> >>=20
> >>> great indoors mounted to a desk, table, or bookshelf. Its not a five ele=
>me=3D
> >> nt=3D20
> >>> yagi, but youll work your share of exciting DX!
> >>> The highly-efficient air wound bug catcher loading coil and
> >> telescoping 5=3D20=3D
> >>=20
> >>> 1/2 foot radiator lets you really get out! The radiator collapses to 2 1=
>/2=3D
> >> =3D20
> >>> feet for easy storage and carrying.
> >>> It includes coax RF choke balun, coax feed line, counterpoise 
> wire and=3D=
>20
> >>> safety rope. The operating frequency is adjusted by moving the wander le=
>ad=3D
> >> =3D20
> >>> on the coil and adjusting the counterpoise for the best SWR.
> >>> =3D20
> >>> So, it sounds like it might be a bit of a pain to tune.  I wonder if any=
>on=3D
> >> e=3D20
> >>> can comment on those magnetic loop antennas?  I remember a
> >> discussion of=3D20=3D
> >>=20
> >>> them several months ago on this list, but can't remember any specifics.
> >>> =3D20
> >>> Another possibility is an antenna in the attic.  Joe, does your
> >> apartment=3D20=3D
> >>=20
> >>> building have an attic, and could you possibly put an antenna up there? =
>  I=3D
> >> =3D20
> >>> have an Alpha-delta 40 through 10 meter dipole in my attic, and
> >> it works=3D20=3D
> >>=20
> >>> pretty well, even on 40 meters.  It is 40 feet long, and just
> >> fits in my=3D20=3D
> >>=20
> >>> attic.
> >>> --
> >>> Jim, KE5AL
> >>> -----Original Message-----=3D20
> >>> From: Joe Quinn
> >>> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 11:17 AM
> >>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>> Subject: Re: HF antenna fun
> >>> =3D20
> >>> Mfj1622 apartment antenna, lest you see something better
> >>> =3D20
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>> =3D20
> >>>> On Oct 10, 2014, at 10:20 AM, Jim Shaffer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>> I see a bunch of antennas here.  Specifically, what antenna is it?
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>> -----Original Message-----=3D20
> >>>> From: Joe Quinn
> >>>> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 10:00 AM
> >>>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>> Subject: Re: HF antenna fun
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>> Here's the link, tell me what you think=3D3D20
> >>>> http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=3D3D3DMFJ-1622
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>>> On Oct 10, 2014, at 9:24 AM, Butch Bussen <[log in to unmask]> wrot=
>e:=3D
> >>=20
> >>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>> I didn't see a link to your antenna.  Keep in mind, anything smaller
> >>>>> is=3D3D20=3D3D
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>>> a compromise antenna.  Not to say it is bad, just be ware.  A dummy
> >>>>> load=3D3D20=3D3D
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>>> will load up on all bands, but doesn't radiate worth a damn.  I had
> >>>>> one=3D3D20=3D3D
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>>> of those b and w 160 through ten antennas, looked goot on swr meter,
> >>>>> but=3D3D20=3D3D
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>>> was a very poor performer.  It is basicly a folded dipole, 50 foot or
> >>>>> so=3D3D20=3D3D
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>>> each side of center, right above the center insolator or balon is=3D3D=
>20
> >>>>> another box which is actually a resister which is why it matched so=3D=
>3D20=3D
> >>=20
> >>>>> well.  I called it my dummy load with wires.  I'd ask about putting=3D=
>3D20=3D
> >>=20
> >>>>> something up out side and go from there.  Can you get any local hams
> >>>>> or=3D3D20=3D3D
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>>> club involved to lend you  a hand to see what might be done?
> >>>>> 73
> >>>>> Butch
> >>>>> WA0VJR
> >>>>> Node 3148
> >>>>> Wallace, ks.
> >>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>> On Thu, 9 Oct=3D3D20
> >>>>> 2014, Alan R. Downing wrote:
> >>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>> Hello Joe, Don't get your hopes up too high for this indoor HF antenn=
>a.=3D
> >>=20
> >>>>>> I=3D3D
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>>>> think that it is highly doubtful that an antenna that small can work
> >>>>>> very=3D3D
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>>>> efficiently.  In addition to poor performance, keep your eye open for=
>
> >>>>>> interference.  When you transmit on this small antenna, you run the r=
>is=3D
> >> k
> >>>>>> o=3D3D
> >>>> f
> >>>>>> getting into all many of electronics, not only in your apartment, but=
>  i=3D
> >> n
> >>>>>> neighboring units.  Keep us posted on how you do.
> >>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>> Alan/KD7GC
> >>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>> Alan R. Downing
> >>>>>> Phoenix, AZ
> >>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: For blind ham radio operators
> >>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]
> >>>> ]
> >>>>>> On Behalf Of Joe Quinn
> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:49 PM
> >>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>>>> Subject: HF antenna fun
> >>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>> I found  an antenna that will  work inside my apartment. It says it'l=
>l
> >>>>>> wo=3D3D
> >>>> rk
> >>>>>> f=3D3D3D
> >>>>>> rom 40-10 meters on hf and six and 2 meters on vhf. It's not huge, so=
>  I=3D
> >>=20
> >>>>>> c=3D3D
> >>>> an
> >>>>>> p=3D3D3D
> >>>>>> ut it outside my window or even indoors clamping it to the desk. What=
>  I=3D
> >>=20
> >>>>>> woul=3D3D3D
> >>>>>> d like to know, is if there is another antenna that would work below,=
>  o=3D
> >> r
> >>>>>> i=3D3D
> >>>> s
> >>>>>> i=3D3D3D
> >>>>>> t above, 40 meters but that wouldn't be huge, so it would work from
> >>>>>> insid=3D3D
> >>>> e
> >>>>>> m=3D3D3D
> >>>>>> y apartment. I don't know that I would be able to get permission from=
>
> >>>>>> the=3D3D
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>>>> ma=3D3D3D
> >>>>>> nager to be able to hang out a 60 foot or whatever antenna outside of=
>  m=3D
> >> y
> >>>>>> apa=3D3D3D
> >>>>>> rtment window. :-) but I want to be able to work as many HF 
> bands as I=
>
> >>>>>> ca=3D3D
> >>>> n.
> >>>>>> A=3D3D3D
> >>>>>> nybody have any ideas?=3D3D3D
> >>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>> =3D3D20=3D20

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