This thread has taken an interesting turn.


The first time someone mentioned Linked In, I also thought, "No, that 
website is fine. It takes a little practice, but it's actually fairly 
accessible." then I thought about my Linked In profile.


It took me a lot of muddling to get it up. Then when a sighted friend 
looked at it, she told me I'd put some information in the wrong place. 
We muddled around some more. We fixed some of my mistakes, but we left 
other tricky spots alone. Later I paid a virtual assistant to set up my 
profile. My profile is now a few years out of date. I went in to do some 
updating, but I didn't notice any changes to the UI and am afraid to put 
things in the wrong place again, so I'm debating whether to pay someone 
else to update it for me or close the account altogether.


I have a similar problem with an interpreting and translating website 
called ProZ.com. Mostly the website is accessible, but playing 
instructional videos is tough and so are setting up a profile and doing 
one or two other things.


In Linked In and ProZ, the accessibility issues arise in the sorts of 
things you don't do everyday so it takes a very long time to figure out 
whether the problem is the user or the website. I know I've complained 
to ProZ repeatedly. Nothing changes, and I'm sure that part of the 
reason, assuming good will on their part, is that most accessibility 
tests come out positive.


I have mixed feelings about how much familliarity users should have with 
their screen readers. I assume that things will be a little complicated 
the first couple of times I go to a website because I'll need to explore 
it, etc., but I get frustrated when I find myself muddling around after 
the fifth or sixth visit because some things aren't obvious. I'm not 
sure that it's always the website's fault. On some websites, clicking on 
an item puts new information, etc., in a different part of the screen, 
and screen readers don't alert us to the presence of that information. 
We need to remember to explore the screen ourselves, which may be time 
consuming on cluttered websites.



On 2/11/2017 12:22 PM, Mike Pietruk wrote:
> Dan
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> You raise a good point.  Often, it's in the eye of the beholder.
> Often, a difficult site, when constantly used, becomes familiar and one
> figures out how to use it for what they want or need.
> I suppose the real test for a site is how easy or difficult it is to use
> on a first visit for a bunch of users.
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