Colin makes some good points. If you can get help at all from a local
ham, you mlight be able to string up a wire outside some how, using very
very fine wire that is hard to see has been done in some cases.
Anything outside is better and a tuner would be needee of course.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.
On Fri,
10 Oct 2014, Colin McDonald wrote:
> you will get just limited performance on 20M and up in frequency.
> You will get basically no performance on bands down in frequency from 20M or
> 14MHZ
> If you have stations very close by on 40 or 80/75M you may be able to
> participate in round tables...again, if they are very close indeed...as in,
> within 2 or 3 miles
> If band conditions are extremely good, you may make an occasional contact on
> 20M, 15M or 10M bands.
> You will have RFi issues, and you will have noise problems making receiving
> difficult at best.
> Not trying to discourage you at all, but you need to be aware of the severe
> limitations of an indoor apartment style HF antenna.
> They very seldom work for anything other than limited receiving on HF. Most
> guys who use HF in an apartment can get the antenna outside on the balcony
> or something...this at least gets the radiator outside the building. The
> building is full of metal and all sorts of stuff that blocks RF from getting
> in or out, along with electronics that create high noise level on receive
> making it difficult to copy stations.
> I had limited success using a hamstick style mono-band mobile antenna
> clamped to the balcony railing on the fourth floor for a couple years.
> It got me on 20M and 40M, but barely... I didn't make any contacts at all
> unless the band conditions were very very good.
> Unfortunately, this is one of those things where there is no way around
> it...the wheel has been invented, and reinvented on indoor HF antennas and
> while manufacturers still make them and claim all sorts of fantastic
> results, at the end of the day, they just don't work well.
> That said, if you are located on the beech in florida or some other south
> eastern State, you may find you have reasonable performance even with an
> indoor antenna. Angle of radiation, propagation and other factors come into
> play making the circumstances more conducive to success.
> That said, the best part about ham radio is that if you try something, you
> may find you have results that don't match up to the accepted theory or
> experience of others.
> So, try it and see what happens.
> Another antenna to check out might be the MFJ loop antenna...a bit more
> money, but they work well even inside buildings, at least better than your
> typical vertical.
>
> 73
> Colin, V A6BKX
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Joe Quinn" <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 10:17 AM
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: HF antenna fun
>
>> Mfj1622 apartment antenna, lest you see something better
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 10, 2014, at 10:20 AM, Jim Shaffer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I see a bunch of antennas here. Specifically, what antenna is it?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joe Quinn
>>> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 10:00 AM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: HF antenna fun
>>>
>>> Here's the link, tell me what you think=20
>>> http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=3DMFJ-1622
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Oct 10, 2014, at 9:24 AM, Butch Bussen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>> =20
>>>> I didn't see a link to your antenna. Keep in mind, anything smaller
>>>> is=20=
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>>>> a compromise antenna. Not to say it is bad, just be ware. A dummy
>>>> load=20=
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>>>> will load up on all bands, but doesn't radiate worth a damn. I had
>>>> one=20=
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>>>> of those b and w 160 through ten antennas, looked goot on swr meter,
>>>> but=20=
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>>>> was a very poor performer. It is basicly a folded dipole, 50 foot or
>>>> so=20=
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>>>> each side of center, right above the center insolator or balon is=20
>>>> another box which is actually a resister which is why it matched so=20
>>>> well. I called it my dummy load with wires. I'd ask about putting=20
>>>> something up out side and go from there. Can you get any local hams
>>>> or=20=
>>>
>>>> club involved to lend you a hand to see what might be done?
>>>> 73
>>>> Butch
>>>> WA0VJR
>>>> Node 3148
>>>> Wallace, ks.
>>>> =20
>>>> =20
>>>> On Thu, 9 Oct=20
>>>> 2014, Alan R. Downing wrote:
>>>> =20
>>>>> Hello Joe, Don't get your hopes up too high for this indoor HF antenna.
>>>>> I=
>>>
>>>>> think that it is highly doubtful that an antenna that small can work
>>>>> very=
>>>
>>>>> efficiently. In addition to poor performance, keep your eye open for
>>>>> interference. When you transmit on this small antenna, you run the
>>>>> risk
>>>>> o=
>>> f
>>>>> getting into all many of electronics, not only in your apartment, but
>>>>> in
>>>>> neighboring units. Keep us posted on how you do.
>>>>> =20
>>>>> =20
>>>>> Alan/KD7GC
>>>>> =20
>>>>> =20
>>>>> =20
>>>>> Alan R. Downing
>>>>> Phoenix, AZ
>>>>> =20
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: For blind ham radio operators
>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]
>>> ]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Joe Quinn
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:49 PM
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Subject: HF antenna fun
>>>>> =20
>>>>> I found an antenna that will work inside my apartment. It says it'll
>>>>> wo=
>>> rk
>>>>> f=3D
>>>>> rom 40-10 meters on hf and six and 2 meters on vhf. It's not huge, so I
>>>>> c=
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>>>>> p=3D
>>>>> ut it outside my window or even indoors clamping it to the desk. What I
>>>>> woul=3D
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>>>>> or
>>>>> i=
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>>>>> i=3D
>>>>> t above, 40 meters but that wouldn't be huge, so it would work from
>>>>> insid=
>>> e
>>>>> m=3D
>>>>> y apartment. I don't know that I would be able to get permission from
>>>>> the=
>>>
>>>>> ma=3D
>>>>> nager to be able to hang out a 60 foot or whatever antenna outside of
>>>>> my
>>>>> apa=3D
>>>>> rtment window. :-) but I want to be able to work as many HF bands as I
>>>>> ca=
>>> n.
>>>>> A=3D
>>>>> nybody have any ideas?=3D
>>>>> =20
>>>>> =20
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