NVDA is a great free screen reader, so ou need never use jaws. I and several of my friends have walked away from the disgusting prices of jaws. Not only is it overpriced, but it has significant authorization issues, especially with a virtual machine.
Michael Thurman
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On Sep 25, 2014, at 8:19 PM, Phil Scovell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> John,
>
> So you are the mean old guy who started this mess? I didn't even see the
> original thread so I just jumped in with both feet but don't feel bad. I've
> said things on a list in the last 20 years and ended up the black sheep in
> the family over something I never even said, haha and that's coming from
> someone whose lived broke most of his life. I think I was the last guy on
> the planet to go to windows from DOS and I started using Win 95 for my first
> windows experience. I still miss DOS to this day. Anyhow, I'm not throwing
> away another 200 dollars, or whatever it is, to up grade jaws any more
> because living on Medicare, my wife and I are living on 50 percent less than
> we did when we both worked.
>
> Phil.
> K0NX
>
>
> Phil.
> K0NX
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 5:05 PM
> Subject: Re: OT Re: The IPhone and the KNFB Reader
>
>
>> Wow, I just make a point that what's worth the money to try for you isn't
>> for a lot of us and why demos and what not especially for expensive
>> software
>> are important so people can decide if it's wroth saving to buy, go out to
>> do
>> things and all hell breaks loose. I wasn't even intentionally badmouthing
>> anyone just making a point that all too often I notice people miss in
>> every
>> day life. Oh well, not the first controversy I caused on this list, not
>> the
>> last either. If I was actually bad mouthing anyone intentionally I'd do it
>> a
>> lot more personally than email so I could get the benefit of the full
>> reaction. The only rich people I have anything against are all politicians
>> but that's another story and money is only a very small part of that.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alan R. Downing" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:11 AM
>> Subject: Re: OT Re: The IPhone and the KNFB Reader
>>
>>
>>> Have you looked at the price of ham gear? Perhaps washing machines or
>>> refrigerators? What major appliance or major piece of software can you
>>> buy
>>> for $99? I just purchased a washing machine, and I chose one that was
>>> closer to the bottom of the price group than the top, and it was $900 and
>>> change. How about a piece of ham gear? $1000 will hardly buy you an
>>> entry-level HF transceiver. I am sorry, but $99 buys you hardly anything
>>> anymore.
>>>
>>> Best 73
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Alan R. Downing
>>> Phoenix, AZ
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: For blind ham radio operators
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>> On Behalf Of John Miller
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 5:51 AM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: OT Re: The IPhone and the KNFB Reader
>>>
>>> But you're well beyond rich as compared to 95% of the people on this list
>>> and in the blindness community at large. $99 is pocket change to you, or
>>> that's the impression you give anyway. For me, $99 means a few missed
>>> meals
>>>
>>> and a couple short changed bills for a couple months. Of course that's
>>> why
>>> I'll never own an IPhone in the first place, way overpriced and little if
>>> anything it can do I can't with my android I'll be paying on for another
>>> year at only a couple dollars a month added to my bill.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Alan R. Downing" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 8:15 AM
>>> Subject: Re: OT Re: The IPhone and the KNFB Reader
>>>
>>>
>>>> For what it does, I would say that $999 was cheap. $99 is giving it
>>>> away
>>>> in
>>>> my book.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alan R. Downing
>>>> Phoenix, AZ
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: For blind ham radio operators
>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>>> On Behalf Of Michael Thurman
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:16 PM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: OT Re: The IPhone and the KNFB Reader
>>>>
>>>> I hope they are going to offer a demo version, perhaps one that runs for
>>>> =
>>>> 15 mins per run or something like jaws does in demo mode, as i will not
>>>> =
>>>> buy another reading program without a good and real world test run, as =
>>>> other packages have been unusable even with all the nice little fluffy =
>>>> reviews., also besides profit, whys the ap so expensive. it would find =
>>>> many more users if the price were cheaper, and they can=92t claim =
>>>> proprietary hardware, when it is all as mainstream asyoucan get.
>>>> Michael Thurman
>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 9:38 AM, Hai Nguyen Ly <[log in to unmask]> =
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All:
>>>>> I=3D92m happy to hear that the news of the KNFB Reader iOS release has
>>>>> =
>>>> =3D
>>>>> reached this list. At the moment, the supported devices include: the
>>>>> =3D=
>>>>
>>>>> iPhone 6 Plus, iPhone 6, 5s, 5c, and iPhone 5. We will be including =3D
>>>>> support for additional iDevices in the coming weeks. Regarding support
>>>>> =
>>>> =3D
>>>>> for the iPod Touch, the app functions quite well on the 5th generation
>>>>> =
>>>> =3D
>>>>> of this device as long as it is still running iOS 7.1.2. Efforts are
>>>>> =3D=
>>>>
>>>>> currently under way to optimize support for this device on iOS 8.
>>>>> We truly feel that the KNFB Reader is the best mobile reader we=3D92ve
>>>>> =
>>>> =3D
>>>>> ever created. Please feel free to check out the features and specs on =
>>>> =3D
>>>>> knfbreader.com as well as the iTunes page at: =3D
>>>>> =
>>>>
>>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/knfbreader/id849732663?mt=3D3D8&uo=3D3D4&a=
>>>> t=3D3D=3D
>>>>> 10lJ8N=3D20
>>>>> An audio demonstration of the app in use is available here. =3D
>>>>> =
>>>> http://www.knfbreader.com/media/demo/audio/KNFBReader_Demonstration.mp3
>>>>> I am available to answer any questions off-list at: =
>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>> =20
>>>>> 73:
>>>>> Hai, KC1BLT
>>>>> On Sep 23, 2014, at 10:50 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen <[log in to unmask]> =
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> =20
>>>>>> The newer iPods have front- and rear-facing cameras. I'm not sure =3D
>>>>> about=3D20
>>>>>> their specs, though, and have not yet heard of someone running the =3D
>>>>> KNFB=3D20
>>>>>> reader on such an iPod.
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
>>>>>> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----=3D20
>>>>>> From: Butch Bussen
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:22 PM
>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>> Subject: Re: OT Re: The IPhone and the KNFB Reader
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> I don't know for sure, but was told my ipod has a camera, i always =
>>>> was
>>>>>> lead to believe only difference between it and an i phone was the =3D
>>>>> phone
>>>>>> part. Now, I'm confused.
>>>>>> 73
>>>>>> Butch
>>>>>> WA0VJR
>>>>>> Node 3148
>>>>>> Wallace, ks.
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> On Tue, 23 Sep 2014, Howard, W A 9 Y B W wrote:
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> It would not work on the iPods as they don't have a camera.
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> Howard #3, W A 9 Y B W
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Jim Shaffer" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 5:44 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: OT Re: The IPhone and the KNFB Reader
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>> I don't think it works with any IPOD, just the IPhone and maybe =3D
>>>>> IPad, I'm
>>>>>>>> not sure.
>>>>>>>> Here's a link to the source, http://www.knfbreader.com/.
>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Butch Bussen
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 5:00 PM
>>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: OT Re: The IPhone and the KNFB Reader
>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>> Will it work with an Ipod 5?
>>>>>>>> 73
>>>>>>>> Butch
>>>>>>>> WA0VJR
>>>>>>>> Node 3148
>>>>>>>> Wallace, ks.
>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 23 Sep 2014, Anthony Vece wrote:
>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> $99.
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my AT&T iPhone 5s!
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 23, 2014, at 1:09 PM, Robert Ringwald <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>>>> =3D=
>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> What is the cost of this reader?
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> -Bob Ringwald K6YBV
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> From: Bob Ray=3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 5:04 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: The IPhone and the KNFB Reader
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, my wife has purchased the KNFB reader for the iphone. It is
>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>> =3D
>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>>>> as good as advertised. Yes, there is a learning curve. Some =3D
>>>>> people =3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> decided that they should change settings and experiment without
>>>>>>>>>> =3D=
>>>>
>>>>> reading
>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> onboard manual. They have had less success. There is a real =
>>>> good =3D
>>>>> =3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> review
>>>>>>>>>> out on applevis too.
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> Bob KD0BR
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: For blind ham radio operators =3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Alan R. Downing
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 10:13 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: The IPhone and the KNFB Reader
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> I may have missed conversation about this, but I am wondering if =
>>>> =3D
>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>> bought the Kurzweil app for the Iphone. Knowing Ray as I do, I =
>>>> am =3D
>>>>> =3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> betting
>>>>>>>>>> that the app is a real killer, but I'd like to see comments from =
>>>> =3D
>>>>> guys =3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> have actual experience with it. I am eligible for an upgrade to =
>>>> =3D
>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Iphone 6 or 6+ with 128 Gigs, so I will probably get one of =
>>>> those. =3D
>>>>> Any
>>>>>>>>>> comments pro or con would be appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> 73
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> Alan R. Downing
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> Phoenix, AZ
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> =3D20
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>>>> Antivirus=3D20=3D
>>>>> =20
>>>>>>> protection is active.
>>>>>>> http://www.avast.com
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> =3D20
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