Must agree with steve here.  Think we have a troll.

If not, I have to question how he got his license.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Quinn" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: HF antenna fun


> What are some good antennasThat would work on 80-10 meters. Maybe that's 
> too=
> wide of spectrum. I don't know how antennas work, :-)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 10, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Pat Byrne <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>=20
>> Any antenna within reason will work with almost any modern=20
>> transceiver.  So the short answer is yes.  Still have to consider the=20
>> efficiency of the antenna, and so on as list members have been=20
>> telling you.  =46rom everuthing I hear, the TS590 is a great rig.
>> patAt 05:49 PM 10/10/2014, you wrote:
>>> I'm leaning towards the 590S. What antennas or whatnot would work with 
>>> th=
> is r=3D
>>> ig? Would "ham sticks" work with this radio?
>>>=20
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>=20
>>>> On Oct 10, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Pat Byrne <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>> =3D20
>>>> Joe,
>>>> =3D46rom the description of the antenna I personally wouldn't care 
>>>> to=3D=
> 20
>>>> deal with it.  There appear to be two variables; the length of the=3D20
>>>> antenna, and the loading coil which seems to be adjustable.  Over=3D20
>>>> time you would find ways to be able to quickly adjust the antenna 
>>>> to=3D2=
> 0
>>>> a particular frequency, which will be necessary for proper 
>>>> operation,=3D=
> 20
>>>> but there would be a hell of a lot of trial and error before you=3D20
>>>> reached that point.  You would need a way to tell if the antenna 
>>>> was=3D2=
> 0
>>>> resonant, probably an audible SWR meter, a visual meter if your=3D20
>>>> vision permits, or a pair of willing eyes.  I know I wouldn't=3D20
>>>> personally have the patience to make it work!
>>>> If you have a balcony, the dipole configured hamsticks are a good 
>>>> one=3D=
> 20
>>>> band solution.  And a person could have multiple sets of hamsticks=3D20
>>>> for multiple bands.  A random length of wire thrown over a balcony=3D20
>>>> railing is an option along with an automatic antenna tuner. 
>>>> Perhaps=3D2=
> 0
>>>> inefficient but workable.  I had a friend who had a couple of 
>>>> dipoles=3D=
> 20
>>>> in the attic of the townhouse complex where he lived and alleged 
>>>> to=3D20=
>
>>>> have worked a decent amount of DX with them.
>>>> So you have lots of options - decide which band or bands you are=3D20
>>>> interested in and what kind of transceiver you want or have.  Does 
>>>> it=3D=
> 20
>>>> have an onboard antenna tuner.  If not, that should go on your wish 
>>>> list=
> .
>>>> We'll help you through this!!
>>>> pat, K9JAUAt 04:13 PM 10/10/2014, you wrote:
>>>>> So do y'all think that this antenna would be worth me buying? Or would 
>>>>> i=
> t=3D
>>> be=3D3D
>>>>> too much of a pain to deal with?
>>>>> Also why don't these Hf radios come with some sort of antennas?=3D3D20
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> On Oct 10, 2014, at 3:17 PM, Jim Shaffer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>> Ok, here's the antenna Joe's talking about:
>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>> The MFJ-1622 Apartment Antenna covers 40 through 2 Meters, mounts
>>>>> outdoor t=3D3D
>>>>> o=3D3D20
>>>>>> windows, balconies, railings, and works great indoors mounted
>>> to desks,=3D3D=3D
>>> 20=3D3D
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> tables, and bookshelves!
>>>>>> This Apartment Antenna lets you operate 40 through 10 Meters on HF 
>>>>>> and=
> 6=3D
>>> a=3D3D
>>>>> nd=3D3D20
>>>>>> 2 Meters on VHF with a single antenna! Its universal mount/clamp
>>>>> lets you=3D3D20=3D3D
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> easily attach it to window frames, balconies, and railings. It=3D20
>>>>> also works=3D3D20=3D3D
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> great indoors mounted to a desk, table, or bookshelf. Its not a five 
>>>>>> e=
> le=3D
>>> me=3D3D
>>>>> nt=3D3D20
>>>>>> yagi, but youll work your share of exciting DX!
>>>>>> The highly-efficient air wound bug catcher loading coil and
>>>>> telescoping 5=3D3D20=3D3D
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> 1/2 foot radiator lets you really get out! The radiator collapses to 
>>>>>> 2=
> 1=3D
>>> /2=3D3D
>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>> feet for easy storage and carrying.
>>>>>> It includes coax RF choke balun, coax feed line, counterpoise
>>> wire and=3D3D=3D
>>> 20
>>>>>> safety rope. The operating frequency is adjusted by moving the wander 
>>>>>> l=
> e=3D
>>> ad=3D3D
>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>> on the coil and adjusting the counterpoise for the best SWR.
>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>> So, it sounds like it might be a bit of a pain to tune.  I wonder if 
>>>>>> a=
> ny=3D
>>> on=3D3D
>>>>> e=3D3D20
>>>>>> can comment on those magnetic loop antennas?  I remember a
>>>>> discussion of=3D3D20=3D3D
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> them several months ago on this list, but can't remember any 
>>>>>> specifics=
> .
>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>> Another possibility is an antenna in the attic.  Joe, does your
>>>>> apartment=3D3D20=3D3D
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> building have an attic, and could you possibly put an antenna up 
>>>>>> there=
> ? =3D
>>> I=3D3D
>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>> have an Alpha-delta 40 through 10 meter dipole in my attic, and
>>>>> it works=3D3D20=3D3D
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> pretty well, even on 40 meters.  It is 40 feet long, and just
>>>>> fits in my=3D3D20=3D3D
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> attic.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jim, KE5AL
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----=3D3D20
>>>>>> From: Joe Quinn
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 11:17 AM
>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>> Subject: Re: HF antenna fun
>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>> Mfj1622 apartment antenna, lest you see something better
>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> On Oct 10, 2014, at 10:20 AM, Jim Shaffer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> I see a bunch of antennas here.  Specifically, what antenna is it?
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----=3D3D20
>>>>>>> From: Joe Quinn
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 10:00 AM
>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: HF antenna fun
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> Here's the link, tell me what you think=3D3D3D20
>>>>>>> http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=3D3D3D3DMFJ-1622
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>> On Oct 10, 2014, at 9:24 AM, Butch Bussen <[log in to unmask]> 
>>>>>>>> wr=
> ot=3D
>>> e:=3D3D
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>> I didn't see a link to your antenna.  Keep in mind, anything 
>>>>>>>> smaller=
>
>>>>>>>> is=3D3D3D20=3D3D3D
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>> a compromise antenna.  Not to say it is bad, just be ware.  A dummy
>>>>>>>> load=3D3D3D20=3D3D3D
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>> will load up on all bands, but doesn't radiate worth a damn.  I had
>>>>>>>> one=3D3D3D20=3D3D3D
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>> of those b and w 160 through ten antennas, looked goot on swr 
>>>>>>>> meter,=
>
>>>>>>>> but=3D3D3D20=3D3D3D
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>> was a very poor performer.  It is basicly a folded dipole, 50 foot 
>>>>>>>> o=
> r
>>>>>>>> so=3D3D3D20=3D3D3D
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>> each side of center, right above the center insolator or balon 
>>>>>>>> is=3D=
> 3D3D=3D
>>> 20
>>>>>>>> another box which is actually a resister which is why it matched 
>>>>>>>> so=3D=
> 3D=3D
>>> 3D20=3D3D
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>> well.  I called it my dummy load with wires.  I'd ask about 
>>>>>>>> putting=3D=
> 3D=3D
>>> 3D20=3D3D
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>> something up out side and go from there.  Can you get any local 
>>>>>>>> hams=
>
>>>>>>>> or=3D3D3D20=3D3D3D
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>> club involved to lend you  a hand to see what might be done?
>>>>>>>> 73
>>>>>>>> Butch
>>>>>>>> WA0VJR
>>>>>>>> Node 3148
>>>>>>>> Wallace, ks.
>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 9 Oct=3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>> 2014, Alan R. Downing wrote:
>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> Hello Joe, Don't get your hopes up too high for this indoor HF 
>>>>>>>>> ante=
> nn=3D
>>> a.=3D3D
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> I=3D3D3D
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> think that it is highly doubtful that an antenna that small can 
>>>>>>>>> wor=
> k
>>>>>>>>> very=3D3D3D
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> efficiently.  In addition to poor performance, keep your eye open 
>>>>>>>>> f=
> or=3D
>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> interference.  When you transmit on this small antenna, you run 
>>>>>>>>> the=
> r=3D
>>> is=3D3D
>>>>> k
>>>>>>>>> o=3D3D3D
>>>>>>> f
>>>>>>>>> getting into all many of electronics, not only in your apartment, 
>>>>>>>>> b=
> ut=3D
>>> i=3D3D
>>>>> n
>>>>>>>>> neighboring units.  Keep us posted on how you do.
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> Alan/KD7GC
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> Alan R. Downing
>>>>>>>>> Phoenix, AZ
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: For blind ham radio operators
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]
>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Joe Quinn
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:49 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>>> Subject: HF antenna fun
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> I found  an antenna that will  work inside my apartment. It says 
>>>>>>>>> it=
> 'l=3D
>>> l
>>>>>>>>> wo=3D3D3D
>>>>>>> rk
>>>>>>>>> f=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>> rom 40-10 meters on hf and six and 2 meters on vhf. It's not huge, 
>>>>>>>>> s=
> o=3D
>>> I=3D3D
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> c=3D3D3D
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>> p=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>> ut it outside my window or even indoors clamping it to the desk. 
>>>>>>>>> Wh=
> at=3D
>>> I=3D3D
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> woul=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>> d like to know, is if there is another antenna that would work 
>>>>>>>>> belo=
> w,=3D
>>> o=3D3D
>>>>> r
>>>>>>>>> i=3D3D3D
>>>>>>> s
>>>>>>>>> i=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>> t above, 40 meters but that wouldn't be huge, so it would work 
>>>>>>>>> from=
>
>>>>>>>>> insid=3D3D3D
>>>>>>> e
>>>>>>>>> m=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>> y apartment. I don't know that I would be able to get permission 
>>>>>>>>> fr=
> om=3D
>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> the=3D3D3D
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> ma=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>> nager to be able to hang out a 60 foot or whatever antenna outside 
>>>>>>>>> o=
> f=3D
>>> m=3D3D
>>>>> y
>>>>>>>>> apa=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>> rtment window. :-) but I want to be able to work as many HF
>>> bands as I=3D
>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> ca=3D3D3D
>>>>>>> n.
>>>>>>>>> A=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>> nybody have any ideas?=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20=3D3D20