Our radio club used to do communications for a Sunday morning annual 
5k run.  The police closed off a number of roads for an hour or 
so.  One year a friend and I worked one spot where the road to the 
nearby church was closed.  We had more fun listening to the horn 
honking, the cops being yelled at, and everyone really being 
unpleasant.  My favorite statement of the morning was "How in hell am 
I going to get to church, goddamnit"!
The Christians were much more fun than the runners!!
Pat, K9JAUAt 12:30 PM 6/13/2014, you wrote:
>Ron,
>
>That is a funny story about the two hams.  Well, the church parking lot is
>just as funny now that I think about it.
>
>Phil.
>K0NX
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dr. Ronald E. Milliman" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 8:47 AM
>Subject: Re: Ham Radio Ethics In Decline
>
>
> > Phil, Et Al:
> >
> > Just a quick humorous observation about the people we've seen leaving one
> > of
> > the larger churches in Arlington, Texas once when we were there visiting
> > friends. As the people rushed out of the church to get in their cars and
> > leave the church, they turned the church's parking lot into a demolition
> > derby! It was actually very funny to see all of those presumably religious
> > church attendees get into their cars and try to beat each other to the
> > parking lot's exit. They were cussing at each other, giving each other the
> > finger, and a couple cars even bumped into each other. It was such a
> > demonstration of hypocrisy and irony. My wife and I laughed and laughed at
> > the  thought of those people all singing the praises of God in one moment
> > and turning into the devil's disciples the next!
> >
> > Now, I don't want anyone to read anything into this other than the humor
> > of
> > the scene. I am not condemning all people who attend church. I am simply
> > sharing a real scenario that I think is incredibly funny, and before
> > anyone
> > calls my attention to it, I realize it has nothing directly to do with ham
> > radio, except for this...
> >
> > I knew two hams who used to be ugly as ugly can be with each other over
> > the
> > air. One of them was KB8IWM, Ed. I don't remember the other's call or
> > name.
> > They would intentionally QRM each other and call each other names.
> > However,
> > they had never met in person before until they met at a hamfest. At the
> > initial time they met at the hamfest, they didn't realize who each other
> > was. Ed, KB8IWM, had a table and was selling some of his ham gear. The
> > other
> > one stepped up and asked how much one of the rigs was, and they got to
> > talking and being really friendly. They were talking about different ham
> > gear, and finally, the one guy made Ed an offer for some of the stuff he
> > was
> > selling, and they agreed on a price and the deal was made. Then, after the
> > one fellow walked away from the table, Ed said: "Now, there is one hell of
> > a
> > nice guy. I wish all of the hams were that decent." I was sitting at the
> > table next to Ed when another ham who knew both of them and knew how ugly
> > they were to each other on the air, spoke up and said to Ed: "Do you know
> > who that was?" When Ed found out, he was shocked, and all he could say is
> > "Well, I'll be damned. I would have never guest that. He's not such an ass
> > hole after all!" We laughed and laughed over that. I don't know what all
> > evidently happened after that because they stopped being so ugly toward
> > each
> > other on the air. Ed died a few years ago, but whenever I would see him
> > after that incident, I would always ask him: "Have you met any new ass
> > holes
> > lately?" Then, we would both laugh.
> >
> > Ron, K8HSY
> >  to Ed and
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: For blind ham radio operators [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > On Behalf Of Phil Scovell
> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 12:02 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Ham Radio Ethics In Decline
> >
> > Richard, Ron, Butch and others,
> >
> > It is always fun to see a knew ham either on the air or on this list.
> > Richard, I hope the hobby turns out to be as fun for you as it has for
> > most
> > of the rest of us all these decades.
> >
> > Ron and Butch,
> >
> > You guys hit the nail right on the head.  It is indeed a societal
> > problems.
> > Ron, Butch knows this for the most part, but I was in the ministry for 40
> > years, both traveling as a guest speaker in churchs around the country,
> > and
> > then later I pastored in two different churches.  I met Butch on 75 meters
> > when I was an assistant pastor in western Colorado back in 78 or 79.
> > Anyhow, what you guys both said about society degrading sure is true and I
> > hate to say it, but it is even true in many, if not most, churches.  They
> > have become mega businesses.  I've been attending a new church with my
> > family for a year now and don't have one person I can call a friend.  To
> > this day, people still are afraid of blind folks it would seem.  I've
> > preached hundreds of times in probably a hundred different churches and
> > being a guest speaker, everyone want to talk to me after church.  As a
> > youth
> > pastor in one church, an assistant pastor in a couple of different
> > churchs,
> > and then the head pastor in a couple of churchs, people always treated me
> > as
> > a normal person.  Become just a walk in member and if you are lucky, if 1
> > out of a hundred other members will either shake your hand or say hello.
> > I've been a Bible teacher, youth pastor, as I already mentioned, counselor
> > and therapist, and started out when I was 20 years old as a social worker
> > and I get right down bumbed out thinking about the American life as a kid
> > born and raise in Des Moines, Iowa compared to now.  In those days, I
> > never
> > locked my bike at school and the first time I did, the teacher found out
> > and
> > made me remove the lock.  So I put it on my locker and got in trouble for
> > that.  I was told it was against the rules to lock your locker.  Try that
> > now and see what happens; leaving something unlocked I mean.  My dad had a
> > tool shed with hundreds of dollars worth of tools, even for those days in
> > the fifties, and we never once locked it and never had anything taken.
> > Hells Bells, I lock up everything now.  So, it most certainly isn't an
> > exclusive ham problem I guess but it makes me sad to think the hobby has
> > come down to this level we see today.  I'm even more disturbed about our
> > country.  Shoot, let me live with the red necks any day; at least they
> > know
> > how to live, haha.  Butch, I am writing a followup message you will find
> > interesting so look for it tomorrow or the next day.
> >
> > Phil.
> > K0NX
> >