John,
So you are the mean old guy who started this mess? I didn't even see the
original thread so I just jumped in with both feet but don't feel bad. I've
said things on a list in the last 20 years and ended up the black sheep in
the family over something I never even said, haha and that's coming from
someone whose lived broke most of his life. I think I was the last guy on
the planet to go to windows from DOS and I started using Win 95 for my first
windows experience. I still miss DOS to this day. Anyhow, I'm not throwing
away another 200 dollars, or whatever it is, to up grade jaws any more
because living on Medicare, my wife and I are living on 50 percent less than
we did when we both worked.
Phil.
K0NX
Phil.
K0NX
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: OT Re: The IPhone and the KNFB Reader
> Wow, I just make a point that what's worth the money to try for you isn't
> for a lot of us and why demos and what not especially for expensive
> software
> are important so people can decide if it's wroth saving to buy, go out to
> do
> things and all hell breaks loose. I wasn't even intentionally badmouthing
> anyone just making a point that all too often I notice people miss in
> every
> day life. Oh well, not the first controversy I caused on this list, not
> the
> last either. If I was actually bad mouthing anyone intentionally I'd do it
> a
> lot more personally than email so I could get the benefit of the full
> reaction. The only rich people I have anything against are all politicians
> but that's another story and money is only a very small part of that.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan R. Downing" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:11 AM
> Subject: Re: OT Re: The IPhone and the KNFB Reader
>
>
>> Have you looked at the price of ham gear? Perhaps washing machines or
>> refrigerators? What major appliance or major piece of software can you
>> buy
>> for $99? I just purchased a washing machine, and I chose one that was
>> closer to the bottom of the price group than the top, and it was $900 and
>> change. How about a piece of ham gear? $1000 will hardly buy you an
>> entry-level HF transceiver. I am sorry, but $99 buys you hardly anything
>> anymore.
>>
>> Best 73
>>
>>
>>
>> Alan R. Downing
>> Phoenix, AZ
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: For blind ham radio operators
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> On Behalf Of John Miller
>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 5:51 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: OT Re: The IPhone and the KNFB Reader
>>
>> But you're well beyond rich as compared to 95% of the people on this list
>> and in the blindness community at large. $99 is pocket change to you, or
>> that's the impression you give anyway. For me, $99 means a few missed
>> meals
>>
>> and a couple short changed bills for a couple months. Of course that's
>> why
>> I'll never own an IPhone in the first place, way overpriced and little if
>> anything it can do I can't with my android I'll be paying on for another
>> year at only a couple dollars a month added to my bill.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alan R. Downing" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 8:15 AM
>> Subject: Re: OT Re: The IPhone and the KNFB Reader
>>
>>
>>> For what it does, I would say that $999 was cheap. $99 is giving it
>>> away
>>> in
>>> my book.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Alan R. Downing
>>> Phoenix, AZ
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: For blind ham radio operators
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>> On Behalf Of Michael Thurman
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:16 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: OT Re: The IPhone and the KNFB Reader
>>>
>>> I hope they are going to offer a demo version, perhaps one that runs for
>>> =
>>> 15 mins per run or something like jaws does in demo mode, as i will not
>>> =
>>> buy another reading program without a good and real world test run, as =
>>> other packages have been unusable even with all the nice little fluffy =
>>> reviews., also besides profit, whys the ap so expensive. it would find =
>>> many more users if the price were cheaper, and they can=92t claim =
>>> proprietary hardware, when it is all as mainstream asyoucan get.
>>> Michael Thurman
>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 9:38 AM, Hai Nguyen Ly <[log in to unmask]> =
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> All:
>>>> I=3D92m happy to hear that the news of the KNFB Reader iOS release has
>>>> =
>>> =3D
>>>> reached this list. At the moment, the supported devices include: the
>>>> =3D=
>>>
>>>> iPhone 6 Plus, iPhone 6, 5s, 5c, and iPhone 5. We will be including =3D
>>>> support for additional iDevices in the coming weeks. Regarding support
>>>> =
>>> =3D
>>>> for the iPod Touch, the app functions quite well on the 5th generation
>>>> =
>>> =3D
>>>> of this device as long as it is still running iOS 7.1.2. Efforts are
>>>> =3D=
>>>
>>>> currently under way to optimize support for this device on iOS 8.
>>>> We truly feel that the KNFB Reader is the best mobile reader we=3D92ve
>>>> =
>>> =3D
>>>> ever created. Please feel free to check out the features and specs on =
>>> =3D
>>>> knfbreader.com as well as the iTunes page at: =3D
>>>> =
>>>
>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/knfbreader/id849732663?mt=3D3D8&uo=3D3D4&a=
>>> t=3D3D=3D
>>>> 10lJ8N=3D20
>>>> An audio demonstration of the app in use is available here. =3D
>>>> =
>>> http://www.knfbreader.com/media/demo/audio/KNFBReader_Demonstration.mp3
>>>> I am available to answer any questions off-list at: =
>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>=20
>>>> 73:
>>>> Hai, KC1BLT
>>>> On Sep 23, 2014, at 10:50 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen <[log in to unmask]> =
>>> wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>> The newer iPods have front- and rear-facing cameras. I'm not sure =3D
>>>> about=3D20
>>>>> their specs, though, and have not yet heard of someone running the =3D
>>>> KNFB=3D20
>>>>> reader on such an iPod.
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
>>>>> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
>>>>> -----Original Message-----=3D20
>>>>> From: Butch Bussen
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:22 PM
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Subject: Re: OT Re: The IPhone and the KNFB Reader
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> I don't know for sure, but was told my ipod has a camera, i always =
>>> was
>>>>> lead to believe only difference between it and an i phone was the =3D
>>>> phone
>>>>> part. Now, I'm confused.
>>>>> 73
>>>>> Butch
>>>>> WA0VJR
>>>>> Node 3148
>>>>> Wallace, ks.
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> On Tue, 23 Sep 2014, Howard, W A 9 Y B W wrote:
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> It would not work on the iPods as they don't have a camera.
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> Howard #3, W A 9 Y B W
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Jim Shaffer" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 5:44 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: OT Re: The IPhone and the KNFB Reader
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> I don't think it works with any IPOD, just the IPhone and maybe =3D
>>>> IPad, I'm
>>>>>>> not sure.
>>>>>>> Here's a link to the source, http://www.knfbreader.com/.
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Butch Bussen
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 5:00 PM
>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: OT Re: The IPhone and the KNFB Reader
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> Will it work with an Ipod 5?
>>>>>>> 73
>>>>>>> Butch
>>>>>>> WA0VJR
>>>>>>> Node 3148
>>>>>>> Wallace, ks.
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> On Tue, 23 Sep 2014, Anthony Vece wrote:
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>> $99.
>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>> Sent from my AT&T iPhone 5s!
>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 23, 2014, at 1:09 PM, Robert Ringwald <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>>> =3D=
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> What is the cost of this reader?
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> -Bob Ringwald K6YBV
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> From: Bob Ray=3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 5:04 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: The IPhone and the KNFB Reader
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> Yes, my wife has purchased the KNFB reader for the iphone. It is
>>>>>>>>> =
>>> =3D
>>>> every
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D
>>>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>>> as good as advertised. Yes, there is a learning curve. Some =3D
>>>> people =3D3D
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> decided that they should change settings and experiment without
>>>>>>>>> =3D=
>>>
>>>> reading
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> onboard manual. They have had less success. There is a real =
>>> good =3D
>>>> =3D3D
>>>>>>>>> review
>>>>>>>>> out on applevis too.
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> Bob KD0BR
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: For blind ham radio operators =3D3D
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Alan R. Downing
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 10:13 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>>> Subject: The IPhone and the KNFB Reader
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> I may have missed conversation about this, but I am wondering if =
>>> =3D
>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D
>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>> bought the Kurzweil app for the Iphone. Knowing Ray as I do, I =
>>> am =3D
>>>> =3D3D
>>>>>>>>> betting
>>>>>>>>> that the app is a real killer, but I'd like to see comments from =
>>> =3D
>>>> guys =3D3D
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> have actual experience with it. I am eligible for an upgrade to =
>>> =3D
>>>> either
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Iphone 6 or 6+ with 128 Gigs, so I will probably get one of =
>>> those. =3D
>>>> Any
>>>>>>>>> comments pro or con would be appreciated.
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> 73
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> Alan R. Downing
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> Phoenix, AZ
>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> =3D20
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