Colin,

I agree with you having the right to speak freely so don't look at me.

Phil.
K0NX




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Colin McDonald" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning Strike


> well, Phil, I simply thought, and to me reasonably considered, that if
> others are allowed to express their beliefs in the form of praise to their
> chosen entity, that I too should be able to freely and without senture, be
> given the opportunity to express my opinion and belief system on said
> entity.  Because, I too have a belief system and values and opinions.
> If someone can say god bless" or "blessed by god" then surely I can freely
> express my own belief system even if it doesn't align with the original
> comment?  Or are we not to disagree with those who feel God blesses every
> single aspect of their existence, as if he or she has the time, or even
> desire to do so lol.
> I suppose it comes down to what is accepted, and not accepted right.
> If you believe that the sun shines at night strongly enough, then I guess
> it's OK to go around stating it as fact and expecting others to believe 
> you
> and not disagree or point out the flaw in your reasoning.
> The fact is that the sun does shine at night, somewhere else, but not 
> within
> the context of the belief system and therefore, the reasoning is flawed 
> and
> cannot withstand scrutiny.
> And I know, people get upset when you scrutinize their beliefs because 
> they
> tend to begin to doubt and that is a scary thing when you have based allot
> of ideas, decisions and your entire adult life upon false reasoning.
> Again, JMO and only one mans at that.
> 73
> Colin, V A6BKX
>
> Seems logical to me...
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 3:25 PM
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Lightning Strike
>
>> Colin,
>>
>> Do you feel better now?  That was quite a thought provoking speech.
>>
>> Phil.
>> K0NX
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Colin McDonald" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: Lightning Strike
>>
>>
>>> Yes, of course, God did it because God certainly didn't cause the
>>> lightening...that must have been the Devil that caused the lightening 
>>> and
>>> God protected Phil from it...except he didn't protect the power company,
>>> or
>>> the guys who had to fix the power grid, or the gas station who probably
>>> had
>>> to replace a bunch of electronics...odd dude this God...probably because
>>> God
>>> really determines ones eligibility for protective services by how much
>>> money, influence or authority one has...IE, he wouldn't protect the 
>>> power
>>> company against loss in a lightening strike because they're rich and
>>> influential, but he would certainly protect Phil because he's just a
>>> citizen
>>> who doesn't deserve any harm from lightening.
>>> If this God is like you say, protective of just one person and not
>>> others,
>>> I
>>> don't think I like your God very much.  He seems like a fickle
>>> inconsistent,
>>> unpredictable entity who seemingly just does things at random.
>>> I just find it so very strange, illogical, unreasonable and down right
>>> stupid, that out of one side of ones mouth, one says God creates all,
>>> including lightening, and out of the other side, one says God protected
>>> you
>>> from the lightening...why create something if you then have to protect
>>> someone from it? seems illogical...but then again, this God seems pretty
>>> illogical so I guess it's not strange after all.
>>> I know, I know, we're just human, not meant to understand, and we are
>>> supposed to have Faith...in other words, we, as Humans, come up with
>>> totally
>>> off the wall crap on what God is and isn't, and we justify our garbage
>>> with
>>> the concept that we are just too far beneath God to understand him.
>>> From what I gather, God wants to be understood, and actually has gone to
>>> great lengths to provide clear and concise explanations and reason to
>>> help
>>> us understand him/her and what he/she does, and doesn't do.  But, being
>>> Human, as I said, we like to come up with our own justifications for 
>>> lies
>>> and mistruths and blame it on God.  It's the american mentality after
>>> all.
>>> Americans pray for football, for success in war, for money, for a new 
>>> job
>>> for a new car, and for the rains to grow the crops.  They pray for sick
>>> Aunt
>>> mary, and they pray for the lightening not to hit their house.  They 
>>> pray
>>> for the poor blind because obviously, the devil caused that, and if only
>>> god
>>> hears those prayers, he might do something about it...even though we
>>> thank
>>> God for creating all things in that same prayer including disease and 
>>> the
>>> human condition.
>>> Contradiction much?
>>>
>>> The beautiful thing about all this is that everyone has the right to
>>> believe
>>> what they want to believe...and no doubt, that is thanks to God as
>>> well...though apparently in some places, he doesn't give a crap and so
>>> people aren't allowed to believe what they want to believe without harm.
>>> again, contradiction much?
>>>
>>> And now we know why religion and politics are best left to churches, and
>>> governments and coffee shops and bars, and not to email lists and on the
>>> air.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Colin, V A6BKX
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