I wasn't being cynical nor sarcastic.  I have never been sarcastic in my 
life.  As I believe sarcasm is hateful and springs from a heart filled with 
hate.  I said that because if the government has its way, more of those who 
failed to make their opinions against a Godless government known wherever 
there is a chance for them to be known, there will be a lot more things for 
which prayer might be required.  It is harder for Christians to be contented 
in a situation wherein their Christian way of life  is  threatened.  I think 
if we don't discuss politics wherever Christians are gathered, or who write 
on Christian lists because such touches every Christian, there will be fewer 
and fewer places where such discussions will be allowed to take place.  Did 
you know the government is already reading our E-mails and tweets?  If one 
can't discuss politics on a Christian supportive list as is this one, how is 
one suppose to ask for prayer, as I did a while back on this list, that 
priests contracted by the government to serve the military be allowed to 
continue serving when the government was closed.  They were forbidden to 
serve then, and those who needed to worship were forced to find outside 
priests off military bases to perform weddings and baptisms, ETC.  These 
independent contracted military priests weren't even allowed by the 
government to volunteer to serve without pay during the time the government 
was closed.  Isn't this political?  Should I not have asked for prayer, and 
should I not have expressed on a list such as this my wonder at how a 
government could be persecuting us so?   I suppose if I shouldn't have asked 
this, nor wondered at the callousness of a government who wouldn't even 
allow volunteers to officiate at a sacramental event, then there might not 
be a place on a list as this for me either?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jackie Shepherd" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: I wish Christians could stay away from politics for once!


> Do you really wish those of us whom you may see as apathetic the best, or 
> is there a touch of cynicism and are you being sarcastic?
>
> Regarding where to discuss these issues, you could discuss them with 
> friends or neighbors, at church or a number of places, and there are, I am 
> sure, several Christian political lists that one might join to discuss 
> this very thing.  In fact, I believe Pat might know of one.  There are 
> also many news outlets where one can get the news from a Christian 
> prospective.  Therefore, I continue to maintain that politics has no place 
> here if this is to be a list focused on Christ and to the edification of 
> Christian believers.
>
> Apathetic, never!!!  My husband believes as Bev does regarding the current 
> administration; I do not!  However, I do believe in sensitivity to the 
> discomfort of others as much as possible.
>
> I personally think Bev is wrong, but I love her and would hate to see her 
> leave the list simply because of a minority political view point.
>
> Jackie
>
> At 06:56 PM 2014-03-10, you wrote:
>>Then I wish you all the best when you suffer as a result of what this 
>>current administration is doing.  As for me, and for my house, we will 
>>stand against those who are trying to take away our religious freedom to 
>>worship, and to pay for what we choose.  I will encourage you in your 
>>apathetic reaction to the threat Christians face.  When home schools are 
>>prohibited, and when all reference to our most holy faiths is removed from 
>>schools.  As it is being done, and has been since prayer was removed from 
>>public schools. I dare say children today don't even know the second verse 
>>of "my country t'is of thee"  Because the first line says "Our father God 
>>to thee, author of liberty."  I use to sing that song, both verses in 
>>public school.  Would you believe?  If we don't discuss such things on a 
>>list such as this, where on earth are we to discuss them?
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Shepherd" 
>><[log in to unmask]>
>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 6:13 PM
>>Subject: Re: I wish Christians could stay away from politics for once!
>>
>>
>>>I am reluctantly compelled to agree with Bev, not about the politics, but 
>>>that it should not be a topic of discussion on the list.  It is my 
>>>opinion that the list could be used for encouragement, prayer, topics of 
>>>a scriptural nature, and Christ centered discussions and devotional 
>>>material. Messages I've seen, some on the list, but most off, are nothing 
>>>but hate filled government/President bashing tyrades; and I wonder how 
>>>many people did their homework to see if these were true!  It certainly 
>>>isn't a very good example of loving Christians; and I wonder how much it 
>>>shows that we trust and leave all things to the Lord.  Romans 8:28 says 
>>>this much better than I ever could.
>>>
>>>Jackie
>>>At 02:28 PM 2014-03-10, you wrote:
>>>>Hi All!
>>>>
>>>>Well, I guess my subject line says what's on my mind.For several years, 
>>>>now I've deliberately stayed away from most Christian groups, due to the 
>>>>disappointment I always experience because I'm so tired of politics 
>>>>always coming up as the topic. I so wish Christians could get back to 
>>>>discussing scripture and talking about the Lord and quit all the 
>>>>bashing, hatred, fear and hostility for our president and our 
>>>>government. To be honest, even though I am a professing Christian, this 
>>>>whole politic thing has caused me to want to stay away from most 
>>>>Christian circles for the past I don't know how many years, yet, I hate 
>>>>doing that as well, because I miss sharing with other Christians about 
>>>>our Lord Jesus .
>>>>
>>>>Bev