I'm not sure I get the statement about Narrator and not needing JAWS any
more. We already have Window Eyes and NVDA, and I have no confidence
that Narrator will be a better overall screen reader than those options,
so if we still need JAWS now given those options, I still see us, or at
least some of us, needing JAWS even with a new and more robust Narrator.
I also don't see MS putting any effort whatsoever in making Narrator a
good overall screen reader that works with 3rd party applications. If
you're only going to use MS products, Windows Live Mail, Internet
Explorer and so on, then you may be able to get by with Narrator, but if
you're using non-MS products, like Lotus Notes, Lotus Sametime, Libre
Office, Firefox, Chrome, thunderbird and so on, then I'm not sure
Narrator will ever be sufficient.

On 20/12/12 12:59, Harry Brown wrote:
> Hi all,
> Well folks, I'm glad this subject is coming up!
> I am also bummed that everybody's having this problem, that's the bad part!
> As someone who might be moving to windows 8 pro, (which I saw boot up in
> 6 seconds on a Lenovo laptop), I have some good news!
> First, jaws is not the only fully functioning screen reader for windows 8!
> Window eyes works with it, and also, NVDA works with it as well.
> However, we need to talk about 1 more screen reader, and that screen
> reader? Narator! You read that right, Narater!
> It's got alot more commands in windows 8, and David Tanner, did some
> work with it, on main menu!
> I asked him if he could do a demonstration of narater with internet
> explorer, and also, narater with the mail program in windows 8.
> I hope he does those 2 demonstrations in the future, but if it works, we
> might not need jaws any more!
> Now that, would be wonderful!
> Harry 
> 
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Ana G <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>     *To:* [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>     *Sent:* Thursday, December 20, 2012 1:29 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [VICUG-L] Strange Issue With JAWS
> 
>     I notice the same thing with Jaws 13 and Windows 7 on my netbook. When
>     I'm on the web, I get frequent silences. Sometimes the whole system
>     crashes; other times, it just seems to be the browser. I also notice
>     that it's much more likely to happen when I'm typing fast in an edit
>     field. And I have the problem of Jaws losing focus a lot too. The
>     silences happen more often with Firefox, but they also happens fairly
>     frequently in Internet Explorer, and the lack of focus is more
>     common in
>     Internet Explorer.
> 
>     When the browser goes silent, I find that pressing Windows-m for the
>     desktop or alt+tab to move focus to another application seems to help.
>     If I leave focus in the browser, speech never returns, but if I move
>     focus to something else, speech usually comes back after a while, as
>     little as 30 seconds and as much as a minute or two (literally a minute
>     or two).
> 
>     I agree with Jeff on the SMA. It's really hard to want to throw good
>     money after bad on such a buggy product. I'd be a lot more forgiving if
>     the product were low cost to begin with, but it's not, and telling
>     customers that problems will be solved in the next version (something
>     I've been told repeatedly when I've called FS and something that rarely
>     happens) is a cop out.
> 
>     Rant over. Back to regularly scheduled browsing with intermissions for
>     speech crashes and lost focus.
> 
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