The issue here is that this problem does exist (under many names - like shift work disorder, etc). Its still a problem and there is now research to back it up. You mentioned in an earlier post that you had a Phd. in Neurology. Then you are smart enough to realize that neurological issues can cover a lot of ground and can have many causes. Simply labeling it the way you have is inappropriate. Now, mine may have been an inherited issue (virtually every male on my mothers side of the family had similar issues with sleep/wake pattern problems) that became further exasperated by not just 1 Traumatic Brain Injury, but more than one about 21 years apart (the first at age 2 and the second at age 23).
Now, in my case, several sleep studies were performed to see the extent of the problem. Its medically proven in my case that the problem is real. I have, by definition, a longer than normal day (total time with sleep and awake times comes to around 27 hours). This means that there are several periods during the month where I am severely desynced from local day/night schedule. Forcing myself into that schedule has caused all manner of problems (from weight gain to reduced cognitive function).
By labeling some of these the way you have, you are denying the possibility that a real problem exists. THus, I leave you with this truth to cogitate: Lack of evidence is not evidence of lack, it simply means that not all the facts are in. Thus, the opinions formed based on this lack of evidence could be considered quite flawed.
Now, I don't have a Phd, or even a college certificate in any degree program. What I *do* have is 49 years of hard experience, lots of medical documentation and the sure knowledge that not everyone knows everything about it.
With that, I am going back to bed to see if I can get what remains of my sleep period (the last 3 days I have had only 8 hours of real sleep and I am bloody tired and highly frustrated).
-eric
N7zzt
member: Circadian Rhythm disorders network
On Feb 5, 2014, at 6:55 AM, Tom Brennan wrote:
> Its created disorder sets. We've gotten fond of taking an existing disorder and
> making a ramp of disorders to it just as we have by using "Meniere's syndrom"
> when we don't have enough symptoms for "Meniere's disease". We did the same
> thing with "learning disabled" and "motoric disorder" in the '70s. Its all just
> a circle that comes and goes.
>
> Tom
>
>
> Tom Brennan KD5VIJ, CCC-A/SLP
> web page http://titan.sfasu.edu/~g_brennantg/sonicpage.html
>
> On Tue, 4 Feb 2014, Howard Kaufman wrote:
>
>> Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 07:11:21 -0600
>> From: Howard Kaufman <[log in to unmask]>
>> Reply-To: For blind ham radio operators <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Off Topic: Non 24 A Blind Disease?
>>
>> autism spectrum? How is that?
>> I never heard or thought of any connection there.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tom Brennan" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 7:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: Off Topic: Non 24 A Blind Disease?
>>
>>
>>> Oh, I've had it all my life. That really doesn't address the issue of
>>> exactly
>>> what is going on, though. Its in the same box as "autism spectrum".
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom Brennan KD5VIJ, CCC-A/SLP
>>> web page http://titan.sfasu.edu/~g_brennantg/sonicpage.html
>>>
>>> On Mon, 3 Feb 2014, Steve wrote:
>>>
>>>> Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 16:47:59 -0500
>>>> From: Steve <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Reply-To: For blind ham radio operators <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: Off Topic: Non 24 A Blind Disease?
>>>>
>>>> Tom,
>>>>
>>>> It is a very low incidence in sighted people.
>>>> I actually heard about some studies in this area as part of my Human
>>>> Resources job in the mid 1990s. I worked with a consultant that
>>>> specialized
>>>> in optimizing schedules for continuous/rotating shiftworkers as is set up
>>>> in
>>>> many manufacturing plants as well as the utility company I worked for.
>>>> Some
>>>> shiftworkers who work a lot of night shifts and are only exposed to
>>>> artificial light exhibit some of the same characteristics, but to a
>>>> somewhat
>>>> lesser extent.
>>>>
>>>> The consultant didn't know that I was blind. When he met me, he asked if
>>>> I
>>>> had any issues with sleeping? I think my jaw dropped. His company was
>>>> based out of Boston, and he said he was aware of some research at Harvard
>>>> involving sleep issues faced by the blind. Again, this was in circa
>>>> 1996-97.
>>>>
>>>> By the way, I've been fighting the sleep-wake issue for years, and almost
>>>> lost a previous job over thirty years ago because I fell asleep in a
>>>> meeting. I can most definitely assure you it is not a contrived
>>>> phenomenon
>>>> for those of us who experience it in its more extreme cases.
>>>>
>>>> Steve, K8SP
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Tom Brennan" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 7:47 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Off Topic: Non 24 A Blind Disease?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Interesting thing about all of this is that it is also seen in sighted
>>>>> folks who
>>>>> have unusual sleep schedules. The must interesting question to all of
>>>>> this is
>>>>> whether it is actually a disorder or a result of physiology -- its a
>>>>> chicken and
>>>>> egg question.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom Brennan KD5VIJ, CCC-A/SLP
>>>>> web page http://titan.sfasu.edu/~g_brennantg/sonicpage.html
>>>>
>>
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