not all verticals require radials, the Hygain AV640 does not, works 
from 40 through 6 meters and it is good!
I know, I have one and used it in North Dakota for 2 years.


At 07:53 AM 03/11/13, you wrote:
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> > From: Michael Ryan <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date: 11 March, 2013 12:19:20 PM NDT
> > To: Michael Ryan <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Re_HF Vertical suggestions
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> > Hi Don:=20
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> > I think that when you consider your vertical purchase, take into considera=
>tion on how much help if any, you'll need to assemble and maintaining it.=20=
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> > The thing with the verticals, for the most part, they're DX antennas and n=
>ot much good for in close work. They all require a good radial field, 30 to 6=
>0 radials at various lengths to work well from 80/10m. Longer radials are ne=
>cessary for 160M and then you'll need a good tuner to tune this vertical on t=
>hat band. So this of course will be another consideration. How many bands? T=
>rapped or traples? The Hustler BTV series, Butternuts MFJ and the DX Enginee=
>ring products all have their followings and are good performers.=20
> > I my self am leaning toward the DX Engineering 80/10M vertical 
> due to its a=
>bility to be assembled with my XYL's assistance, who isn't a Ham and the lac=
>k of traps to go messing around with, for the tuning process. I also don't w=
>ant to spend hours on the phone to Ohio during prime time to tune the trappe=
>d/rod adjusted antenna which is the case of the Hustler or Butternut. I have=
>  heard that the butternut is a Pain to sett up but works well once done.=20
> > So this is the kind of stuff you have to look at. I think you should email=
>  Bob at Dx Engineering. He has been vary helpful to me with my 
> questions. =20=
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> > HTH & 73:=20
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> > Michael DE VO1AX=20
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