I am so thankful that God is in control and nothing can or will happen 
without His allowing it. It is going to get a lot worse before it gets 
better. Satan is the Prince of the power of the air/atmosphere, or God of 
this world by God's allowing it. When Christ returns to the earth He will 
put things in order. As for myself, I am looking for and loving the 
appearing of the Lord Jesus Christ and His snatching away of the Church 
saints before the tribulation when Satan will be allow to set up His world 
government -- when they shall say "Peace, Peace."  Listening for His shout! 
Grant


-----Original Message----- 
From: Jackie Shepherd
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:30 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: I wish Christians could stay away from politics for once!

Do you really wish those of us whom you may see as apathetic the
best, or is there a touch of cynicism and are you being sarcastic?

Regarding where to discuss these issues, you could discuss them with
friends or neighbors, at church or a number of places, and there are,
I am sure, several Christian political lists that one might join to
discuss this very thing.  In fact, I believe Pat might know of
one.  There are also many news outlets where one can get the news
from a Christian prospective.  Therefore, I continue to maintain that
politics has no place here if this is to be a list focused on Christ
and to the edification of Christian believers.

Apathetic, never!!!  My husband believes as Bev does regarding the
current administration; I do not!  However, I do believe in
sensitivity to the discomfort of others as much as possible.

I personally think Bev is wrong, but I love her and would hate to see
her leave the list simply because of a minority political view point.

Jackie

At 06:56 PM 2014-03-10, you wrote:
>Then I wish you all the best when you suffer as a result of what this 
>current administration is doing.  As for me, and for my house, we will 
>stand against those who are trying to take away our religious freedom to 
>worship, and to pay for what we choose.  I will encourage you in your 
>apathetic reaction to the threat Christians face.  When home schools are 
>prohibited, and when all reference to our most holy faiths is removed from 
>schools.  As it is being done, and has been since prayer was removed from 
>public schools. I dare say children today don't even know the second verse 
>of "my country t'is of thee"  Because the first line says "Our father God 
>to thee, author of liberty."  I use to sing that song, both verses in 
>public school.  Would you believe?  If we don't discuss such things on a 
>list such as this, where on earth are we to discuss them?
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Shepherd" 
><[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 6:13 PM
>Subject: Re: I wish Christians could stay away from politics for once!
>
>
>>I am reluctantly compelled to agree with Bev, not about the politics, but 
>>that it should not be a topic of discussion on the list.  It is my opinion 
>>that the list could be used for encouragement, prayer, topics of a 
>>scriptural nature, and Christ centered discussions and devotional 
>>material. Messages I've seen, some on the list, but most off, are nothing 
>>but hate filled government/President bashing tyrades; and I wonder how 
>>many people did their homework to see if these were true!  It certainly 
>>isn't a very good example of loving Christians; and I wonder how much it 
>>shows that we trust and leave all things to the Lord.  Romans 8:28 says 
>>this much better than I ever could.
>>
>>Jackie
>>At 02:28 PM 2014-03-10, you wrote:
>>>Hi All!
>>>
>>>Well, I guess my subject line says what's on my mind.For several years, 
>>>now I've deliberately stayed away from most Christian groups, due to the 
>>>disappointment I always experience because I'm so tired of politics 
>>>always coming up as the topic. I so wish Christians could get back to 
>>>discussing scripture and talking about the Lord and quit all the bashing, 
>>>hatred, fear and hostility for our president and our government. To be 
>>>honest, even though I am a professing Christian, this whole politic thing 
>>>has caused me to want to stay away from most Christian circles for the 
>>>past I don't know how many years, yet, I hate doing that as well, because 
>>>I miss sharing with other Christians about our Lord Jesus .
>>>
>>>Bev