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Doris and Chris <[log in to unmask]>
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but then why does a husband have to make that decision in writing if 
his wife is to deliver her baby in a catholic hospital?

I totally agree with you except for burdening a husband to make a 
decision that is gods in the first place.
love and hugs,

Doris

At 10:00 AM 2014/03/04 -0500, you wrote:
>How many abortions are done because the mothers life is in actual 
>danger compared to those made for convenience?  Just last Friday I 
>was waiting for my ride to take me home from my work at our local 
>community college.  I overheard a young woman talking with a young 
>man in the lobby of the school. She and he were talking about 
>drinking and "smoking", if you all know what I mean, before they 
>attended high school.  She and he were discussing how high school 
>students ate lunch with their infants in strollers in the school 
>cafeterias.  When, in my day, it was a shame for a child to have a 
>child out of wedlock, and children went to homes for unwed mothers 
>when they were so unfortunate as to be victimized by this sin.  Now, 
>there is no societal shame for anything children do these days, it 
>seems.  She also told this young man she knew another woman who had 
>three abortions.  Is this typical? Even if it isn't, should a 
>society allow abortions to be abused by causing them to be legal for 
>anyone who sees it as an alternative to carrying a person to 
>term.  Regarding whose life is more valuable the life of an unborn 
>person verses the woman who is most instrumental in bringing that 
>person to this earth.  I ask how can we humans decide, or is that 
>decision properly our right.  Or does that decision belong to the 
>God who brought us all here in the first place?  Doesn't he know 
>what is best for us all?  Is he not capable of choosing for us the 
>decision which will best serve us?  If so, than we ought to allow 
>him to choose which life should be brought to live with him and with 
>the angelic host, and which should be left here in this veil of 
>tears to struggle with life's temptations which might possibly 
>alienate us from his heavenly presence forever.  I truly believe The 
>god of the universe, who created us each knows which is best for us 
>each, and we should leave such decisions to him.  Because, I have 
>full and complete faith in his sovereignty.  This is buttressed by 
>my personal experience of making wrong and horribly mistaken 
>decisions concerning my own life.  Using this as an indication, I can fully say
>God surely knows what is best for me.  Even though I am unable to 
>see with my finite mind why these decisions are made.  The world God 
>created is like a movie.  We haven't seen the whole movie, and were 
>sort of dropped in its middle without understanding its sense.
>God, is the author, and the director of the film.  He should alone 
>decide who dies and who lives.  It is up to us to try as best as we 
>can to preserve all human life.  Regardless whether that life is in 
>the womb, or is on life support for a 100 year old person.  When 
>there is a choice to be made, we must try to save both very young 
>and the extreme aged of persons, and allow God to do his job, and to 
>choose for himself which persons he wants to live with at any given 
>moment.  God gives us the power and ability to save lives. It is we 
>who take it upon ourselves to kill people, as we have done through 
>sanctioned abortions.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris and Chris" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 8:58 AM
>Subject: Re: Obama Care and Planned Parenthood
>
>
>>what about terminating a pregnancy if the mothers life is in danger?
>>
>>Doris and chrisAt 05:57 AM 2014/03/04 -0500, you wrote:
>>>We challenged people won't at all be effected by the affordable 
>>>care act. Generally those who work would have done better with 
>>>encouragement to provide for themselves with health insurance 
>>>plans.  Rather than being forced to depend on a Godless government 
>>>who forces people with religious reasons to fund birth control and 
>>>abortion coverage for employees, and who forces businesses to 
>>>cater weddings for same sex couples against their religious 
>>>principles, and who, when the government was closed down for that 
>>>last two or three weeks, forbid government contracted priests to 
>>>celebrate mass even on a voluntary basis.  I sent you the article 
>>>telling us all of that horror.  Requiring people who wanted to 
>>>partake of the blessed sacrament to go off military bases to find 
>>>a priest not contracted by the government to perform weddings, 
>>>ETC.   If we take anything at all from such a government to which 
>>>we ourselves have not contributed, with the exception of social 
>>>security.  Because that is a program funded by us, with the 
>>>expectation we would reap benefits from it.  Which, by the way, 
>>>began as a supplemental program only, and wasn't meant in the 
>>>beginning to be the mainstay of an individuals economic 
>>>existence.  We will also be held accountable at the day of 
>>>judgment along with this Godless government.    We have got to 
>>>stand together against it, and do all we can to revile all it 
>>>stands for.  At whatever personal cost to us.  Else, our children 
>>>and grand children will pay the price for our foolishness, and we 
>>>ourselves will have to answer to God.
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bev" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 11:01 PM
>>>Subject: Re: Obama Care and Planned Parenthood
>>>
>>>
>>>>Inn spite of all the negative things a lot of folks are saying 
>>>>about Obama care, there are some positive things that have 
>>>>happened, such as for people with pre-existing health conditions, 
>>>>who used to have a difficult time finding insurers. Under this 
>>>>plan they can not be turned down for insurance. Also, my daughter 
>>>>tells me that Obama's plan has already cut down on the number of 
>>>>emergency room visits where people came in for treatment who 
>>>>didn't really need emergency treatment, simply because they 
>>>>didn't have insurance. She says that now when they get 
>>>>emergencies they are really emergencies and not just people 
>>>>coming in because they have a bad cold. Also, my son had no idea 
>>>>his medical insurance didn't provide him full medical 
>>>>coverage,  until he got a letter from them saying that because of 
>>>>the new health requirements they were going to have to raise his 
>>>>rates because they were now required to offer full coverage. I 
>>>>told him that yes, he might not like the idea of his rates going 
>>>>up, but wasn't that worth it to have complete coverage? My GP 
>>>>doctor just recently told me that now with the new plan I am 
>>>>entitled to have top notch kidney care. I hope they can get all 
>>>>the kinks worked out of the new health care law, because there 
>>>>are definitely things about it that can be good, if they can get 
>>>>it all straightened out right.
>>>>
>>>>Bev
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris and Chris" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 5:19 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: Obama Care and Planned Parenthood
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Sheesh. we in general think that obama is doing a good think by 
>>>>>introducing much needed social health care in the US but this is 
>>>>>terrible. Mind you, from our view, an abortion would be 
>>>>>justified if the mothers life was immediately in danger but not 
>>>>>for social indication.
>>>>>
>>>>>it is society and not peoples lives that need change for that to happen.
>>>>>
>>>>>Doris and Chris in Germany
>>>>>
>>>>>At 04:54 AM 2014/03/03 -0500, you wrote:
>>>>>>I take personal offence with the planned parenthood  organization.
>>>>>>Because of its stand regarding contraception and 
>>>>>>abortion.  Which, in my opinion is nothing more than 
>>>>>>infanticide.  Is it any wonder why those clinics are in the 
>>>>>>poorest parts of all towns, and that the neighborhoods in which 
>>>>>>they are located are black neighborhoods?  Just the other week 
>>>>>>I heard a study was done, and that more dear black children 
>>>>>>were murdered through abortions than were born?  We  must pray 
>>>>>>for the souls of all these poor children, and for the 
>>>>>>enlightenment of their poor benighted mothers.  That they might 
>>>>>>see, before it is too late, the harm they are doing to their 
>>>>>>own immortal souls by having this done to them, and allowing 
>>>>>>this horror to exist.  Without doing anything to stop it at all.
>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: <mailto:[log in to unmask]>Phil Scovell
>>>>>>To: <mailto:[log in to unmask]>[log in to unmask]
>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 7:03 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Obama Care and Planned Parenthood
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This week, someone knocked on our front door.  Nobody hardly 
>>>>>>ever does that except for UPS and the mail man and even then, 
>>>>>>the knock is only to let us know they are leaving a box on our 
>>>>>>front porch steps. Otherwise, everybody comes to what we call 
>>>>>>our side door which is the front of my office on the side of 
>>>>>>the house.  This time it was someone from Planned Parenthood 
>>>>>>and when asked what they wanted, they said they were just 
>>>>>>checking to see if we, everyone living in this house in other 
>>>>>>words, were signed up with Obama Care.  They said they were 
>>>>>>just going house to house checking to see if people were signed 
>>>>>>up.  Your tax dollars at work for the biggest abortion mill in 
>>>>>>North America.  55 million abortions and counting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Phil.
>>>>>>Living His Name
>>>>>><http://www.SafePlaceFellowship.COM>WWW.SafePlaceFellowship.COM
>>>>>
>>>>>
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