nope.  No pproblem with it at all.
but I'm also entitled to my opinion I think hi hi.

73
Colin, V A6BKX
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Canazzi" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: ham radio and the internet


> But Colin: What if the guy just wants to do it that way; you got a
> problem with that or something!?!?!?
>
> On 5/1/2013 5:28 PM, Colin McDonald wrote:
>> Well then you don't need to go through the hassle of getting a license to
>> use skype or many other online voice and type chat programs.
>> No one needs a license to use a computer so why bother with the ham 
>> ticket
>> if the only way you can communicate due to living arrangements, is via 
>> the
>> computer?
>> If you can't get antennas up and can't use the radio, then why bother 
>> with a
>> license to operate a ham radio?  You obtain that license to specifically
>> operate ham radio transmitting apparatus.  not to pay for the use of a
>> computer program pretending it's radio apparatus.
>> doesn't make much sense.
>> I see the advantage of IRLP, but at least you do need to use radio 
>> equipment
>> to access it.  No one is pretending that they're on ham radio when it's
>> actually a computer.  You must use RF to use IRLP so it maintains the 
>> radio
>> part.  Echolink also has a pretty well defined RF aspect to it as well, 
>> so
>> it's also at least semi-radio related.  But CQ100 is just a joke.  It's a
>> VOIP program with some clever programming to make it look like a radio. 
>> At
>> least skype is free, doesn't require you to prove you hold a radio 
>> apparatus
>> operators license for amateur equipment, and has better audio too.
>>
>> Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with people who live in nursing 
>> homes,
>> hospitals, apartments, with relatives or in antenna restricted areas 
>> wanting
>> to, and being able to talk to other hams, but if it's on the computer, 
>> then
>> don't make some sham out of a computer program making it look like ham
>> radio, then charge people for the privallage.
>> Not only that, proving you hold a license? what on earth does that do? 
>> It's
>> beyond me why you should have to prove you have a license to go onto a
>> computer voice chap program...
>> If you dump a cheeseburger and pour a beer into a blender and turn it on 
>> for
>> ten minutes, is it still a cheesburger and beer?
>> I'll let you guys be the judge of that.
>> Having or getting a ham license is not about being allowed into  some 
>> clicky
>> club or special group.  Being licensed simply means you are qualified, 
>> and
>> have proven through testing that you are qualified, to operate radio
>> equipment on the amateur radio frequency bands.  It has nothing to do 
>> with
>> your character, personality, political or religious views.  It has 
>> nothing
>> to do with your skills, or abilities and the way you talk.  Or at least 
>> it
>> shouldn't.
>> CQ100 flies in the face of all that is ham radio, and all that the 
>> license
>> stands for.  It makes you prove you are licensed in order to filter the
>> membership to what someone has arbitrarily decided are individuals 
>> qualified
>> to speak to one another.  not individuals who are qualified to actually
>> operate equipment.  So proving you are licensed means they assume that if
>> you are licensed, you will be somehow better than the average joe on the
>> street and that isn't what ham radio is about at all.
>> CQ100 actually puts into a nut shell the biggest reason fewer people are
>> getting into this hobby and service.  It's seen as a bunch of old farts 
>> who
>> only want to talk to each other and no one else.  And, that's precisely 
>> what
>> cq100 encourages by demanding proof of a license and pretending it's real 
>> HF
>> radio.
>> At least with echolink, you are using amateur frequencies even if you are 
>> on
>> your computer talking into a repeater or node, so you should have to 
>> prove
>> you are licensed to be able to operate on amateur frequencies.
>>
>> 73
>> Colin V A6BKX
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Brian Sackrider" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:42 PM
>> Subject: ham radio and the internet
>>
>>
>>> Hi this isBrian Sackrider n8mnx and you need to rembember that lots of
>>> people live in places with very restrictive antenna restrictions I live 
>>> in
>>> an apartment am I very limited on what antennas that will fit on my
>>> balcony
>>> and I use the cq100 program on my computer this is a vertual hf radio no
>>> it's real hf radio but it's all that some of us have you are required to
>>> send prove of your licence to by a membership on cq100.  there is a 90 
>>> day
>>> free trial and then it cost 39 dollars per year.  there people on it 
>>> that
>>> are in nursing homes and in hhospitals and they can still can 
>>> communicate
>>> and on the issue of echo link and irlp they are 2 other modes that 
>>> people
>>> with antenna restrictions can still operate so it's always that people 
>>> are
>>> to lazy to putup antenas please think and get your facts before you 
>>> judge
>>> put yourself in our place I got my licence to communicate
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John Miller
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:25 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: 47 years as a ham
>>>
>>> When *I* pick up the phone, it generally is a complete waste of time but
>>>         that's beside the point. I didn't get a radio license to talk on
>>> the
>>> phone
>>> or the internet, that's not radio and I'd be flat out embarrassed to 
>>> brag
>>> about my last phone call to NY or skype call to TN or where ever it was
>>> all
>>> those months ago and I certainly would never call an internet 
>>> conversation
>>> or phone call DX, accept a card or anything for it. Why anyone would get 
>>> a
>>> radio license just to use the internet is well beyond me but then, 
>>> that's
>>> why I never get on 2 meters, that's all anyone seems to do these days 
>>> and
>>> they're so happy they never have to actually work to make a contact,
>>> upgrade, put up antennas or anything. As far as I'm concerned, they
>>> shouldn't be any part of radio with that attitude since they don't even
>>> know
>>> what radio is if they're calling the internet radio.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Howard Kaufman" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 8:47 AM
>>> Subject: Re: 47 years as a ham
>>>
>>>
>>>> So john, does that mean if you pick up a telephone you are just wasting
>>>> your
>>>> time?
>>>> How is that different than incorporating the Internet?