Angel,
I am familiar with the beliefs, and many of the writings, which I have read
over the years, of each and every person you mentioned but I have read the
Bible from cover to cover 115 times. I have read way more in the cults and
occults than just the authors you mentioned, in order to understand their
beliefs. I am not afraid of what they say or believe. I have worked in
counseling prayer sessions with many demonized people but the Bible says the
demons believe more than some of His own children do. By the way, you are
incorrect about Edgar Casie. He refused to take money from people and died
a very poor man and his family suffered. I never asked for a dime over the
10 years I did prayer counseling and my family suffered but I don't believe
a thing Edgar Casie did or said. You speak with many words to try and
overcome the beliefs of others but your fear exposes your true beliefs.
Phil.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Angel" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: Just read the book
>I am not hiring this author to write anything for me. If I were, I
>wouldn't be commissioning him. My Church does not contradict this. There
>are many writings I will not read for various reasons, and many authors
>whom I don't admire. Whom others do for their own reasons. The writings of
>Edgar Casie is among these. Neither have I read the "Watch
> Tower". Each of whom have lots of people who read them, and steadfastly
> believe them, and contribute to the material wealth of the organizations
> begun by their founders. Many people have encouraged me to read them too.
> I still haven't read them. I don't read the works of Elrond Hubbard. I
> didn't even read those he wrote which didn't directly concern
> scientology,. Nor have I read the writings of Misses Mary Baker Eddy. For
> the same reasons. I wouldn't hire any of them to write anything for me
> either. Also, for the same reasons. At the risk of being accused of
> judging: I will just bet you haven't read these authors either. Why is
> this I ask? Because, and here, I shall make another judgment, you perhaps
> feel as I do, their works are nothing but claptrap. Are these writers
> worthy of their hire? There are those who feel they are, and then there
> is I, along with others, who feel they aren't. Which is why we don't read
> them. I can judge motives. If we didn't judge motives no one would be a
> success in this world. Had Eve judged more carefully the possible
> motivation behind her temptation, there might not have been a reason for
> Jesus to have left his heavenly realm. If we aren't to judge motives, how
> can we judge the various spirits which might tempt us. Jesus judged
> correctly satans motivation and resisted his tempting. If Sampson had
> judged properly the motives behind Delilah he would also have been better
> off. Character is formed from the ability to judge motivations of those
> whom we encounter.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Just read the book
>
>
>> Angel,
>>
>> You are back to judging others motives now? How do you gain such insight
>> without reading their works and publications? Why are you opposed when
>> Jesus said a workman is worthy of his hire? Don't you believe the words
>> of
>> Jesus or do you believe your church instead?
>>
>> Phil.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Angel" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 5:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: Just read the book
>>
>>
>>> Yes I am going to continue to question the motivations of anyone who
>>> writes a religious book and makes more money than did those who wrote
>>> the
>>> original Greek and Hebrew scriptures. Or who makes more money from what
>>> it is they write than did our Lord who walked this earth. Because I
>>> think
>>> their basic motivation is economic gain. I am sure economic gain was
>>> not
>>> the basic motivation of the biblical authors. As for Catholics of all
>>> three branches of the Faith, I can't control what it is they read. I
>>> disagree with many who practice many things. I don't object to the
>>> reading of most literature, or what passes for literature these days,
>>> for
>>> any reason. But, when possible contrivance passes itself as fact, and
>>> is
>>> believed as such. As in stigmata, for example. I feel the need to
>>> criticize. I have read many texts from various non Christian religions.
>>> Whose authors had what I suspect are purer motives, and I disbelieve
>>> their
>>> content equally.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:22 PM
>>> Subject: Just read the book
>>>
>>>
>>>> Angel,
>>>>
>>>> What are you going to do with all the Catholics who read this little
>>>> book, filled with Biblical and Scriptural confirmations, and believe
>>>> the
>>>> stories are true and Biblical? Are you going to still keep belittling
>>>> the family for making money or being paid for their labors. Read the
>>>> book, not a review. Read the book and then come back and tell us all
>>>> the
>>>> Biblical references used by the pastor are incorrect and taken out of
>>>> context. A lot of Catholics have already read this book and believe it
>>>> is real. You haven't read it and still say it isn't real nor are we
>>>> real
>>>> for believing it's true. I still think you are just plane afraid to
>>>> read
>>>> it for fear of what you will find.
>>>>
>>>> Phil.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Angel" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 10:18 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Angel, Please first read Heaven is for real: a little
>>>> boy's
>>>> astounding story of his trip to heaven and back.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I read a review of the film which sprang from the book. The review
>>>>>says
>>>>>the book is basically a father's permission for the telling and the
>>>>>writing of this event. How much input did the father have in any
>>>>>possible altering of the Childs experiences to sell the book and the
>>>>>film? How much money is being made resulting from both the book and
>>>>>film? How much notoriety are both the child and his father to receive
>>>>>from the sales of these commercial products? Verses, how much of the
>>>>>above were made by the apostles. Considering their stories were
>>>>>codified
>>>>>at least a century and a half following the death of our Lord, and not
>>>>>one of the apostles made a cent from the telling of their stories. All
>>>>>of which I believe. I am wondering why more of you aren't more
>>>>>skeptical
>>>>>than you all seem to be. In view of the above. I am sure, if I came
>>>>>out
>>>>>with some book maintaining I had such an experience, many would ask
>>>>>about, and would wonder about the same things before they even
>>>>>attempted
>>>>>to believe my claims. I dare say many might even be on this list. My
>>>>>Faith being different than is your Faith might be a beginning point
>>>>>from
>>>>>which your skepticism might spring. It would perhaps proceed from
>>>>>there.
>>>>>Just some other things to ponder when reading the book. Or while
>>>>>viewing
>>>>>the film.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Karen Carter" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 10:10 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Angel, Please first read Heaven is for real: a little
>>>>> boy's
>>>>> astounding story of his trip to heaven and back.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree Donna
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 24, 2014, at 5:56 AM, Donna Bell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>> I haven't read the book yet, but I intend too. My first reaction to
>>>>>> what I'm reading is that this family needs our prayers, and
>>>>>> compassion.
>>>>>> Any book that talks about miracles should be weighed against
>>>>>> scripture,
>>>>>> but it seems like what happened to this little one is meant to
>>>>>> encourage us.
>>>>>> I haven't walked on water, or raised the dead, but God has saved my
>>>>>> life more than once, and the testimonies from these events have lead
>>>>>> people to salvation, which is what really matters.
>>>>>> We'll know the book by it's fruit. Angel, I'm sorry you seem so
>>>>>> angry.
>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>> On 7/23/14, Phil Scovell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>> Then tell us everything that is theologically wrong with this
>>>>>>> miraculous
>>>>>>> experience. I get the feeling you don't want to read this little
>>>>>>> book
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> I'm wondering why. Why do you want to argue what you believe when
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> haven't read this book of a little boy's testimony confirmed by
>>>>>>> Scripture
>>>>>>> from beginning to end. Are you worried it might challenge some of
>>>>>>> your most
>>>>>>> closely held beliefs?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Phil.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
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