Angel, your problem is not exegesis but eisogesis.

earlier, Angel, wrote:
>I have an idea if I continue this discussion it will be 
>fruitless.  I just hoped there might be a better understanding 
>between the groups.  Though, I suspect, if the one Christian Church 
>can't be brought together as yet.  I can't even expect what I say to 
>make a difference.  If better and more perfectly trained  people in 
>exegesis, and hermeneutics before me have tried and have 
>failed.    I do want to apologize for the wrong I did you in posting 
>the biblical reference in my last post.  It was done from a spirit 
>of uncharity.
>Which was uncalled for on my behalf.  I trust you will all forgive 
>me.  I ought to know better than to exhibit such a proud and such an 
>unloving attitude.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Angel" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 6:21 PM
>Subject: Re: Praying to the dead
>
>
>>You are right.  God allows much with which he doesn't 
>>approve.  Just look at all sorts of ungodly practices practiced by 
>>many these days. Homosexual marriage being one such practice.  On 
>>that we agree.  But, that wasn't what the discussion was about.  I 
>>was attempting, again to explain why the Saints of all ages share 
>>in the living body of Christ, and why we believe they are 
>>constantly interceding for us on our behalf to the lord our 
>>God.  So many lack sufficient understanding of why requests for 
>>saintly intercession is practiced by so many, and why so many are 
>>comforted by this knowledge. That was all.  Of course you are free 
>>to believe what it is you choose.  As we all are.
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "john schwery" <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 3:16 PM
>>Subject: Re: Praying to the dead
>>
>>
>>>Because God allowed it, doesn't mean that He approved it.
>>>
>>>earlier, Angel, wrote:
>>>>We aren't talking about necromancy here.  Even if what you say is 
>>>>true, God allowed Saul to be visited by Samuel.  When he was 
>>>>called up from the dead. Also, if it were true, there wouldn't be 
>>>>an exhortation and a condemnation for those who actively practice 
>>>>necromancy.  There are those who claim the spirit of Samuel was 
>>>>demonic in origin.  But, if one believes totally in sola 
>>>>scriptura, as protestants do, the bible doesn't make that 
>>>>clear.  Thus believing in that leans on protestant interpretation 
>>>>and protestant tradition to sustain such belief.  In any case, 
>>>>The passage to which you refer is that conversation between 
>>>>Abraham and divies.  In which Divies was requesting father 
>>>>Abraham to do something even the saints who have preceded us can 
>>>>not do.  Because the saints' job is not to evangelize after they 
>>>>have left this world.  Nor is it to provide room service for 
>>>>those residing in hell.  Also, the saints regardless where is 
>>>>their residence have no obligation to any who are in hell. Also, 
>>>>The story to which you refer was one told by Jesus before his 
>>>>great sacrifice for us.  Which sacrifice transfigured us all 
>>>>forever. Evangelizing is our job alone.  As was stated in the 
>>>>great commission to the apostles that they go in to the whole 
>>>>world and preach the gospel to every creature.  On the mount of 
>>>>Transfiguration Moses and Elijah was seen on that mount talking 
>>>>together with Jesus.  Which disproves what you say about saints 
>>>>not being mobile between the two worlds. In fact, Saint Peter was 
>>>>so moved he suggested a monument should be erected to memorialize 
>>>>the occurrence.  Further, at least one conversation did occur 
>>>>between Divies and father Abraham.  As do those between the 
>>>>saints and us, assisted by the holy spirit.
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Carter" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 1:17 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: Praying to the dead
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Because there is a big void that seperates them from earth and 
>>>>hell. The ones in hell cannot for the sane reason. Only angels 
>>>>and evil spirits can come back and forth
>>>>
>>>>Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>>On Jul 26, 2014, at 1:05 AM, Angel <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>That sort of puts a constraint on just what it is they can do 
>>>>>doesn't it? If the angels, who are constantly praising God, as 
>>>>>are we here on earth without ceasing, and are given time to 
>>>>>constantly serve us as guardian Angels, ministering to our 
>>>>>needs.  If we can be constantly praising God, both waking and 
>>>>>sleeping, while we have jobs and raise families here on 
>>>>>earth.  Why can't the saints intercede for us in heaven, as we 
>>>>>who live here in this plane of existence find time to pray for 
>>>>>those on this list who ask for prayer?  While still praising 
>>>>>God. If we can find time in this temporal world to pray for 
>>>>>those who request it of us, then the saints, who live in a 
>>>>>timeless eternity surely can devote time, which isn't even an 
>>>>>issue for them any longer to pray for us.  Especially so, 
>>>>>because physical constraints such as the needs presented by the 
>>>>>physical body are not issues for them. Constant praise to God in 
>>>>>Heaven is understood, and is assumed by us as a primary 
>>>>>postulate by all the heavenly host, both angels and saints.
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Carter" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 12:38 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: Praying to the dead
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>They can not intercede for you only Jesus can the saints are in 
>>>>>Heaven where you remember the earth know more because you are to 
>>>>>busy praising The Lord read Luke 16.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Jul 25, 2014, at 8:57 PM, Angel <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>When the saints either living or dead intercede for us, we 
>>>>>>aren't praying to them.  Just as I am not praying to you if I 
>>>>>>were to ask for your prayers for me.  If I were wanting your 
>>>>>>assistance that I might endure a difficult time in my 
>>>>>>life.  Also, as the second McCabe's isn't in your cannon, I 
>>>>>>won't even expect those scriptures to cancel out those which 
>>>>>>you quoted.  As they would be dismissed.  I will not engage in 
>>>>>>an argument regarding something without a possible satisfactory 
>>>>>>resolution for either of us.  Prayers aren't offered up to our 
>>>>>>saints. In the same sense as I suspect was meant by your post. 
>>>>>>Rather the saints continue to exist conjoined with us as does 
>>>>>>Jesus, and the blessed Theotocos .
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Carter" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 7:11 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Praying to the dead
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A few verses for those who think you can pray to dead ones. 
>>>>>>Like saints or relatives. Isaiah 8:19-20.  19. When someone 
>>>>>>tells you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and 
>>>>>>mutter, should not a people inquire of their God?  Why consult 
>>>>>>the dead on behalf of the living. 20. Consult God's instruction 
>>>>>>and the testimony of warning. If anyone does not speak 
>>>>>>according to this word, they have no light of dawn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sent from my iPhone=