All right, I suspect you know more about Edgar casiie than I. I was
speaking from the fact his organization has a large edifice in Virginia
beach. Engaging people to speak to such groups as the Theosophic societies
around the country. Whatever I say, you all will read and believe what you
want to believe in any case. It really makes no difference to me in the
end.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: Just read the book
> Angel,
>
> I am familiar with the beliefs, and many of the writings, which I have
> read over the years, of each and every person you mentioned but I have
> read the Bible from cover to cover 115 times. I have read way more in the
> cults and occults than just the authors you mentioned, in order to
> understand their beliefs. I am not afraid of what they say or believe. I
> have worked in counseling prayer sessions with many demonized people but
> the Bible says the demons believe more than some of His own children do.
> By the way, you are incorrect about Edgar Casie. He refused to take money
> from people and died a very poor man and his family suffered. I never
> asked for a dime over the 10 years I did prayer counseling and my family
> suffered but I don't believe a thing Edgar Casie did or said. You speak
> with many words to try and overcome the beliefs of others but your fear
> exposes your true beliefs.
>
> Phil.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Angel" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 7:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Just read the book
>
>
>>I am not hiring this author to write anything for me. If I were, I
>>wouldn't be commissioning him. My Church does not contradict this. There
>>are many writings I will not read for various reasons, and many authors
>>whom I don't admire. Whom others do for their own reasons. The writings
>>of Edgar Casie is among these. Neither have I read the "Watch
>> Tower". Each of whom have lots of people who read them, and steadfastly
>> believe them, and contribute to the material wealth of the organizations
>> begun by their founders. Many people have encouraged me to read them
>> too. I still haven't read them. I don't read the works of Elrond
>> Hubbard. I didn't even read those he wrote which didn't directly concern
>> scientology,. Nor have I read the writings of Misses Mary Baker Eddy.
>> For the same reasons. I wouldn't hire any of them to write anything for
>> me either. Also, for the same reasons. At the risk of being accused of
>> judging: I will just bet you haven't read these authors either. Why is
>> this I ask? Because, and here, I shall make another judgment, you perhaps
>> feel as I do, their works are nothing but claptrap. Are these writers
>> worthy of their hire? There are those who feel they are, and then there
>> is I, along with others, who feel they aren't. Which is why we don't
>> read them. I can judge motives. If we didn't judge motives no one would
>> be a success in this world. Had Eve judged more carefully the possible
>> motivation behind her temptation, there might not have been a reason for
>> Jesus to have left his heavenly realm. If we aren't to judge motives,
>> how can we judge the various spirits which might tempt us. Jesus judged
>> correctly satans motivation and resisted his tempting. If Sampson had
>> judged properly the motives behind Delilah he would also have been better
>> off. Character is formed from the ability to judge motivations of those
>> whom we encounter.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: Just read the book
>>
>>
>>> Angel,
>>>
>>> You are back to judging others motives now? How do you gain such
>>> insight
>>> without reading their works and publications? Why are you opposed when
>>> Jesus said a workman is worthy of his hire? Don't you believe the words
>>> of
>>> Jesus or do you believe your church instead?
>>>
>>> Phil.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Angel" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 5:44 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Just read the book
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yes I am going to continue to question the motivations of anyone who
>>>> writes a religious book and makes more money than did those who wrote
>>>> the
>>>> original Greek and Hebrew scriptures. Or who makes more money from
>>>> what
>>>> it is they write than did our Lord who walked this earth. Because I
>>>> think
>>>> their basic motivation is economic gain. I am sure economic gain was
>>>> not
>>>> the basic motivation of the biblical authors. As for Catholics of all
>>>> three branches of the Faith, I can't control what it is they read. I
>>>> disagree with many who practice many things. I don't object to the
>>>> reading of most literature, or what passes for literature these days,
>>>> for
>>>> any reason. But, when possible contrivance passes itself as fact, and
>>>> is
>>>> believed as such. As in stigmata, for example. I feel the need to
>>>> criticize. I have read many texts from various non Christian
>>>> religions.
>>>> Whose authors had what I suspect are purer motives, and I disbelieve
>>>> their
>>>> content equally.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:22 PM
>>>> Subject: Just read the book
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Angel,
>>>>>
>>>>> What are you going to do with all the Catholics who read this little
>>>>> book, filled with Biblical and Scriptural confirmations, and believe
>>>>> the
>>>>> stories are true and Biblical? Are you going to still keep belittling
>>>>> the family for making money or being paid for their labors. Read the
>>>>> book, not a review. Read the book and then come back and tell us all
>>>>> the
>>>>> Biblical references used by the pastor are incorrect and taken out of
>>>>> context. A lot of Catholics have already read this book and believe
>>>>> it
>>>>> is real. You haven't read it and still say it isn't real nor are we
>>>>> real
>>>>> for believing it's true. I still think you are just plane afraid to
>>>>> read
>>>>> it for fear of what you will find.
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Angel" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 10:18 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Angel, Please first read Heaven is for real: a little
>>>>> boy's
>>>>> astounding story of his trip to heaven and back.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I read a review of the film which sprang from the book. The review
>>>>>>says
>>>>>>the book is basically a father's permission for the telling and the
>>>>>>writing of this event. How much input did the father have in any
>>>>>>possible altering of the Childs experiences to sell the book and the
>>>>>>film? How much money is being made resulting from both the book and
>>>>>>film? How much notoriety are both the child and his father to receive
>>>>>>from the sales of these commercial products? Verses, how much of the
>>>>>>above were made by the apostles. Considering their stories were
>>>>>>codified
>>>>>>at least a century and a half following the death of our Lord, and not
>>>>>>one of the apostles made a cent from the telling of their stories.
>>>>>>All
>>>>>>of which I believe. I am wondering why more of you aren't more
>>>>>>skeptical
>>>>>>than you all seem to be. In view of the above. I am sure, if I came
>>>>>>out
>>>>>>with some book maintaining I had such an experience, many would ask
>>>>>>about, and would wonder about the same things before they even
>>>>>>attempted
>>>>>>to believe my claims. I dare say many might even be on this list. My
>>>>>>Faith being different than is your Faith might be a beginning point
>>>>>>from
>>>>>>which your skepticism might spring. It would perhaps proceed from
>>>>>>there.
>>>>>>Just some other things to ponder when reading the book. Or while
>>>>>>viewing
>>>>>>the film.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Karen Carter" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 10:10 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Angel, Please first read Heaven is for real: a little
>>>>>> boy's
>>>>>> astounding story of his trip to heaven and back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree Donna
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 24, 2014, at 5:56 AM, Donna Bell <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>> I haven't read the book yet, but I intend too. My first reaction
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> what I'm reading is that this family needs our prayers, and
>>>>>>> compassion.
>>>>>>> Any book that talks about miracles should be weighed against
>>>>>>> scripture,
>>>>>>> but it seems like what happened to this little one is meant to
>>>>>>> encourage us.
>>>>>>> I haven't walked on water, or raised the dead, but God has saved
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> life more than once, and the testimonies from these events have lead
>>>>>>> people to salvation, which is what really matters.
>>>>>>> We'll know the book by it's fruit. Angel, I'm sorry you seem so
>>>>>>> angry.
>>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>> On 7/23/14, Phil Scovell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Then tell us everything that is theologically wrong with this
>>>>>>>> miraculous
>>>>>>>> experience. I get the feeling you don't want to read this little
>>>>>>>> book
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> I'm wondering why. Why do you want to argue what you believe when
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> haven't read this book of a little boy's testimony confirmed by
>>>>>>>> Scripture
>>>>>>>> from beginning to end. Are you worried it might challenge some of
>>>>>>>> your most
>>>>>>>> closely held beliefs?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Phil.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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